Originally Posted by Purandara88
It was released by an imprint of MGM!!! How can it NOT be a 'major label' release?
Moreover, it's reception in 1967 aside, punk-leaning and later indie critics have been fellating the band's entire catalog for well-nigh on 30 years now, they sit squarely in the contemporary mainstream.
Eh.. well... I guess all this people regard it as a pretty important album then.
Yeah, and the point is that Uncut wouldn't know 'groundbreaking' if it bit them on the tiny dicks they make these lists to overcome. Mainstream rock music has never had a groundbreaking idea in all its long and storied history.
"That's, like, your opinion, man". It's really hard to discuss bananas with someone that hates bananas. You don't agree with the list simply because you hate the kind of music it lists. I wouldn't say that your opinion is totally irrelevant, but it comes pretty close.
There aren't more than 5 'independent' releases in the top 50, and several of these are 'independent' in the way that Miramax is an 'independent' film company.
Ok, so maybe you got me on that one, I didn't "research" it very well before I wrote that before. And if you're right I have to say that it's another sign of the big record companies in the past being a lot more about good music than about **** and biceps.
Who cares if they had an impact on an uncreative scene? Derivative product is derivative product, regardless of its impact on other, derivative product. There are maybe four or five releases on the whole damn list that transcend mere entertainment (The Doors, Black Sabbath, Murmur, and, if you're exceptionally charitable Isn't Anything and perhaps Piper at the Gates of Dawn. Maybe, maybe, MAYBE Captain Beefheart if novelty for its own sake is your thing. The rest? Disposable crap - more plastic for the landfill.
Again, you're being completely subjective. I've had this discussion a million times with all kinds of prog rock nerds, metal nerds, art rock nerds or whatever. It's just a matter of taste. To me the black metal scene is interesting to a certain degree and in some cases it's even very artistic, but it is as often pretty laughable to me. You can't tell me that after having witnessed a handfull of norwegian bands, all masked like demons and corpses and bathing in pig blood on stage while hissing in the microphone, that I'm suppose to think that each of those band is unique? They are just anohter scene, on the ground, over ground, underground... It really doesn't matter. And just like any other scene the bands belonging to it all sound pretty similar in the ears of someone who's not into it. Like Velvet Underground sound in your ears. ...I'm kind of surprised that you think Doors and Sabbath are acceptable while you seem to think VU are awful.
Creatively, any Burzum album is more significant than the entire gaggle of throwaway pop bands on that list.
Please explain to me why an imprisnoned nazi with a syntheziser and an obsession with darkness and Old Norse is
that significant. I would agree, it isn't completely uninteresting. But replace Count Grishnackh with a 17-year old computer geek with pimples and you would probably not even consider it. And the list lists debut albums and it wasn't until he went to prison that Burzum's albums started to be interesting, right?
But seriously, you don't even have to go for metal (or even, necessarily, off of the major labels) to find far more artistically important releases then this crap:
Where's Brian Eno? In the Court of the Crimson King? Maeror Tri? Kraftwerk? Dead Can Dance? Something, anything working outside the verse/chorus pentatonic box?
I don't know. As for Kraftwerk, who I love by the way, I don't think it was until their third or fourth album that they really started to get their vision together. They themselves refuse to re-release their earliest albums since they don't want to even be associated with them, or so I've read. And again, the list lists great debut albums, not just great albums.
Oh horse****, they're a pop band dressed up in bad production and irritating harmonic intervals. That doesn't make them any less 'mainstream.'
Ah, you don't like the verse-chorus structure...
So which debut albums would you put on the list?
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