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Originally Posted by Yoda
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and the music was good as well!At the end of the movie everyone cheered there loudest and claped too!But there was some teens talking through the movie saying stuff like this is so dumb which was really annoying!I might go see it a second time with my boyfriend on saturday that is if we get tickets!
Anyone have a hard time geting tickets?and praying that it will not be sold out?Well see you around!JM
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Very nice review Yoda… Thanks…
Arwen was in the last movie...
Originally Posted by Jackie Malfoy
what was Awen doing in it she is not in the last movie!
Arwen was in the last movie...
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Maybe he meant that she *shouldn't have been* in the last movie...?
(Just a guess.)
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Originally Posted by Austruck
Maybe he meant that she *shouldn't have been* in the last movie...?
(Just a guess.)
(Just a guess.)
She is not a big part in the books so why is she in the movie?
Sorry but she annoyes the heck out of me!See you around!JM
Originally Posted by Jackie Malfoy
Ok I am geting off topic sorry about that!Anyway the movie was a bit long and what was Awen doing in it she is not in the last movie!
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Last edited by Yoda; 12-19-03 at 01:06 PM.
Originally Posted by superlissa
Ok, I have read Tolkein's magnificent trilogy (twice) and seen the movies. Arwen is in the last book and should have had a larger space in the movie...You see she marries Aragorn and becomes queen of Gondor in the book..The just alluded to this in the movie. Now the parts with her father Elrond, well that was in the other books
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Thanks for a wonderful review, Yoda. I don't totally agree about the not needing such a long segment regarding Denethor's derangement, but I would say the rest of your review was right on the money. I couldn't believe I had spent three plus hours at the theatre......I was just entranced. Captivating is right. And I too wish there was just a little more time spent on the ending. But I was right when I said before that I would be bawling like a baby at the end.......out came the hankies all over the theatre in fact. I was in good company.
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Very nice review, Yoda. I agree almost completley.
I was almost expecting credits when the screen went to black over frodo and sam on Mt. Doom, i would have just died.
I, along with most of the theater, was of course dissapointed with the absence of the 'Scouring of the Shire', but i realize that in a cinematic sense, it simply would not have worked. It would be fun to see as a short movie on the DVD, though.
Entrancing? Absolutley. I found myself flipping the bird to Denethor when he was speaking with Farramir, and i think i have permanent goosebumps from the Sam/Shelob scene!
wonderful, wonderful movie.
I was almost expecting credits when the screen went to black over frodo and sam on Mt. Doom, i would have just died.
I, along with most of the theater, was of course dissapointed with the absence of the 'Scouring of the Shire', but i realize that in a cinematic sense, it simply would not have worked. It would be fun to see as a short movie on the DVD, though.
Entrancing? Absolutley. I found myself flipping the bird to Denethor when he was speaking with Farramir, and i think i have permanent goosebumps from the Sam/Shelob scene!
wonderful, wonderful movie.
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At the end of the movie there was no part with Sarman and Wormtonge at the shire!What was with that?
I mean it was not that good that they skiped that part since in "The Fellowship of the Rings" they had a part with the looking at the water and seeing the shire on fire!
Why show that if they are not going to end it like the book?Does it anyone wonder what happen to Saurman and Wormtonge?Sorry to sound fuzzy but it was a disapointed to me how they end the movie!The whole Awen part was a waste of time if they skiped that out they would have time for the shire part at the end!Oh wel see you around!JM
I mean it was not that good that they skiped that part since in "The Fellowship of the Rings" they had a part with the looking at the water and seeing the shire on fire!
Why show that if they are not going to end it like the book?Does it anyone wonder what happen to Saurman and Wormtonge?Sorry to sound fuzzy but it was a disapointed to me how they end the movie!The whole Awen part was a waste of time if they skiped that out they would have time for the shire part at the end!Oh wel see you around!JM
Originally Posted by Jackie Malfoy
At the end of the movie there was no part with Sarman and Wormtonge at the shire!What was with that? I mean it was not that good that they skiped that part since in "The Fellowship of the Rings" they had a part with the looking at the water and seeing the shire on fire!
It would've been complete cinematic suicide to introduce such a twist after the crescendo of tension in Mordor.
Originally Posted by Jackie Malfoy
Why show that if they are not going to end it like the book?Does it anyone wonder what happen to Saurman and Wormtonge?Sorry to sound fuzzy but it was a disapointed to me how they end the movie!
Originally Posted by Jackie Malfoy
The whole Awen part was a waste of time if they skiped that out they would have time for the shire part at the end!Oh wel see you around!JM
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i absolutley agree with Yoda. A lot of people have been whining about the love story blown out of proportion, but it really adds a lot of depth to Aragorn, Arewen, Elrond, and even Eowyn.
I heard a rumor that they did in fact shoot the scouring of the shire, and it mioght appear on the DVD, any validity in that?
I heard a rumor that they did in fact shoot the scouring of the shire, and it mioght appear on the DVD, any validity in that?
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Originally Posted by Zeiken
i absolutley agree with Yoda. A lot of people have been whining about the love story blown out of proportion, but it really adds a lot of depth to Aragorn, Arewen, Elrond, and even Eowyn.
I heard a rumor that they did in fact shoot the scouring of the shire, and it mioght appear on the DVD, any validity in that?
I heard a rumor that they did in fact shoot the scouring of the shire, and it mioght appear on the DVD, any validity in that?
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I'm at a loss for words. For lack of something more creative to say, this film is perfect. A few quick notes:
-LOVED the extended ending tying up RotK, LotR, and the third age of Middle Earth.
-I for one really liked the Denethor scenes. One of the highlights for the movie for me.
-Effects and acting were brilliant.
-Mount Doom rocked my world.
As a complete film, The Lord of the Rings ranks way up there with the best movies ever made.
-LOVED the extended ending tying up RotK, LotR, and the third age of Middle Earth.
-I for one really liked the Denethor scenes. One of the highlights for the movie for me.
-Effects and acting were brilliant.
-Mount Doom rocked my world.
As a complete film, The Lord of the Rings ranks way up there with the best movies ever made.
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Battle for Minas Tirith: excellent.
Gollum: excellent.
Gandalf: 'A' for 'improvement'. Although nothing will surpass his sacrifice at Khazad Dhun, I thought he gave a much better performance (compared to the rather wooden Resurrected Gandalf in TTT). It was good to see a stronger White Wizard. His rallying of the defenses of Minas Tirith was quite believable.
Faramir: Why isn't he dead? After squeezing tears from the audience during the doomed attempt to retake the river city, Jackson brings him back to life....to do what? He doesn't speak another line in the movie.
Aragorn: didn't impress me much until he bowed to Frodo. And at least he chose the right woman.
Witch King: pushover. I was honestly dissapointed.
Eowyn: see above. The whole "I am no man" strike-a-blow-for-feminism loophole just felt hollow. Did this happen in the book? I guess I'm just bitter over the fact that she stabbed him in the face when I really wanted her to lop off his head. I might have been more impressed with her accomplishment if we'd seen the Witch King dispatch a few legions of highly-trained fighters beforehand.
But I guess if one Aragorn with a sword and a flaming stick can fight off all the 9 at once, the strongest of them MUST be a pansy.
Merry/Pippin: meh.
Samwise: He actually carried the role pretty well. He carried Frodo pretty well, too.
Gimli/Legolas: call it camp if you will, they're still funny to me. Jackson must have made a rule: Legolas gets to do something preternaturally cool that causes involuntary joygasms at least once per movie.
Frodo: the eyes, the eyes.
Length Of Film: It seemed to me that Jackson really did not want to let this movie go. I was done at Frodo writing in the book. I was done at the pub in the Shire. I was done at the coronation at Minas Tirith. I was done at Mt. Doom with Sam and Frodo on the ledge. I was done a half hour before this movie was. Which would have been fine if I was with my girlfriend, but sitting in a movie theater, it was definately NOT OKAY.
Overall: When's the extended edition coming out?
Battle for Minas Tirith: excellent.
Gollum: excellent.
Gandalf: 'A' for 'improvement'. Although nothing will surpass his sacrifice at Khazad Dhun, I thought he gave a much better performance (compared to the rather wooden Resurrected Gandalf in TTT). It was good to see a stronger White Wizard. His rallying of the defenses of Minas Tirith was quite believable.
Faramir: Why isn't he dead? After squeezing tears from the audience during the doomed attempt to retake the river city, Jackson brings him back to life....to do what? He doesn't speak another line in the movie.
Aragorn: didn't impress me much until he bowed to Frodo. And at least he chose the right woman.
Witch King: pushover. I was honestly dissapointed.
Eowyn: see above. The whole "I am no man" strike-a-blow-for-feminism loophole just felt hollow. Did this happen in the book? I guess I'm just bitter over the fact that she stabbed him in the face when I really wanted her to lop off his head. I might have been more impressed with her accomplishment if we'd seen the Witch King dispatch a few legions of highly-trained fighters beforehand.
But I guess if one Aragorn with a sword and a flaming stick can fight off all the 9 at once, the strongest of them MUST be a pansy.
Merry/Pippin: meh.
Samwise: He actually carried the role pretty well. He carried Frodo pretty well, too.
Gimli/Legolas: call it camp if you will, they're still funny to me. Jackson must have made a rule: Legolas gets to do something preternaturally cool that causes involuntary joygasms at least once per movie.
Frodo: the eyes, the eyes.
Length Of Film: It seemed to me that Jackson really did not want to let this movie go. I was done at Frodo writing in the book. I was done at the pub in the Shire. I was done at the coronation at Minas Tirith. I was done at Mt. Doom with Sam and Frodo on the ledge. I was done a half hour before this movie was. Which would have been fine if I was with my girlfriend, but sitting in a movie theater, it was definately NOT OKAY.
Overall: When's the extended edition coming out?
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Originally Posted by Sullivan
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Originally Posted by Sullivan
Battle for Minas Tirith: excellent.
Gollum: excellent.
Gollum: excellent.
Originally Posted by Sullivan
Gandalf: 'A' for 'improvement'. Although nothing will surpass his sacrifice at Khazad Dhun, I thought he gave a much better performance (compared to the rather wooden Resurrected Gandalf in TTT). It was good to see a stronger White Wizard. His rallying of the defenses of Minas Tirith was quite believable.
In full agreement on Khazad-dum, though I think his single greatest moment came when he first heard Frodo volunteering to take The One Ring at the Council of Elrond.
Originally Posted by Sullivan
Faramir: Why isn't he dead? After squeezing tears from the audience during the doomed attempt to retake the river city, Jackson brings him back to life....to do what? He doesn't speak another line in the movie.
Originally Posted by Sullivan
Aragorn: didn't impress me much until he bowed to Frodo. And at least he chose the right woman.
Originally Posted by Sullivan
Witch King: pushover. I was honestly dissapointed.
Eowyn: see above. The whole "I am no man" strike-a-blow-for-feminism loophole just felt hollow. Did this happen in the book? I guess I'm just bitter over the fact that she stabbed him in the face when I really wanted her to lop off his head. I might have been more impressed with her accomplishment if we'd seen the Witch King dispatch a few legions of highly-trained fighters beforehand.
Eowyn: see above. The whole "I am no man" strike-a-blow-for-feminism loophole just felt hollow. Did this happen in the book? I guess I'm just bitter over the fact that she stabbed him in the face when I really wanted her to lop off his head. I might have been more impressed with her accomplishment if we'd seen the Witch King dispatch a few legions of highly-trained fighters beforehand.
As for beheading; she got to decapitate the fell beast, so doing the same to the Witch King would've been a tad redundant. I fully agree that he should've done a bit more damage before being taken down, though; they needed to establish him with the same kind of brutality they did with Sauron in FOTR. We did see him plow through horses earlier in the film, though, so it didn't bother me much. What complaint I might have had was done away with by that incredibly vicious club thingamajig he had. Not to mention his voice and helmet. Conceptually, he was one of the best-realized characters in the series, right up there with Gollum, the Balrog, and Shelob.
Originally Posted by Sullivan
But I guess if one Aragorn with a sword and a flaming stick can fight off all the 9 at once, the strongest of them MUST be a pansy.
It should be noted, though, that he didn't fight off all 9 on Weathertop. I believe he only took on 4 (one for each bed in the inn during the faux death bit in Bree). Might've been 5, though.
Originally Posted by Sullivan
Gimli/Legolas: call it camp if you will, they're still funny to me. Jackson must have made a rule: Legolas gets to do something preternaturally cool that causes involuntary joygasms at least once per movie.
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Originally Posted by Sullivan
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Faramir: Why isn't he dead? After squeezing tears from the audience during the doomed attempt to retake the river city, Jackson brings him back to life....to do what? He doesn't speak another line in the movie.
Faramir: Why isn't he dead? After squeezing tears from the audience during the doomed attempt to retake the river city, Jackson brings him back to life....to do what? He doesn't speak another line in the movie.
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Well, I've seen it. And it could have been the best film in the trilogy had it tightened itself up a bit. Face it, the multiple endings were an annoyance, especially considering the fact that Jackson could have easily hidden them behind some smarter technical decisions. He faded to black twice before the ending, giving people the impression that it was over, when he could have used dissolves or something else. And the bedside scene, which was straight out of The Wizard of Oz, was completely unnecessary. People have been saying that Jackson should be allowed to end some many times, considering his seven-year attachment to the project, but I disagree. If anything, this should force him to tell the story as well as he possible can, for the audience, without indulging himself. I felt the end was an indulgence, and in compromised Jackson's integrity for a moment.
There were a few moments throughout the film that I really didn't like much, the most notable of these being Gollum's fall into the Crack of Doom. Why on Earth did Jackson choose to fall with him, and then watch him sink into lava? It looked awful. It would have been much more powerful had we stayed on the edge, and merely heard Gollum screaming in pain.
Mind you, Gollum blew my mind. More so than in the last picture, the CGI Gollum was a dead ringer for Andy Serkis, even when not in close-up. In The Two Towers, Gollum looked most like Serkis in the schizophrenic monologue scene, which made sense because Serkis himself basically acted that scene. In Return of the King, Serkis and his facial mannerisms were there all the time, completely apparent in everything Gollum did, even when from a distance. It blew me away how far the technology had come, and how it allowed Serkis' performance to really shine through.
Oh, and they nailed Shelob.
There were a few moments throughout the film that I really didn't like much, the most notable of these being Gollum's fall into the Crack of Doom. Why on Earth did Jackson choose to fall with him, and then watch him sink into lava? It looked awful. It would have been much more powerful had we stayed on the edge, and merely heard Gollum screaming in pain.
Mind you, Gollum blew my mind. More so than in the last picture, the CGI Gollum was a dead ringer for Andy Serkis, even when not in close-up. In The Two Towers, Gollum looked most like Serkis in the schizophrenic monologue scene, which made sense because Serkis himself basically acted that scene. In Return of the King, Serkis and his facial mannerisms were there all the time, completely apparent in everything Gollum did, even when from a distance. It blew me away how far the technology had come, and how it allowed Serkis' performance to really shine through.
Oh, and they nailed Shelob.
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Originally Posted by Yoda
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So it felt "right" to me that he'd be a bit colder than usual for a bit, and gradually become more "at home" in Middle-Earth (which, being a Maia, is not his real habitat).
A good point, but I still liked his prescence overall. I thought the Faramir/Denethor relationship was of tremendous benefit to the film, save for the bizarre twist it took later on.
At this point, I'm waiting for Gandalf to half-smile, purse his lips and gently blow towards the center of the room, causing a massive gust of cold wind to snuff the flames. Instead, he canters all the want into the room, smacks Denny with his staff, and tosses the Halfling into the flames. I'm sorry, I thought he was a wizard. The decision to have him joust Denethor off the pile and throw Pippin into harm's way makes no sense to me, UNLESS Pippin's saving Faramir's life had some consequence later on (or, conversely, Faramir had saved Pippin's life earlier).
I'm really hoping this particular choice will be explained in the EE.
My first big disagreement. I thought Aragorn was fantastic. He was not the film's central character, as he pretty much was in TTT (Gollum was a close runner-up), but between returning with the armies of the dead, and giving a rousing Braveheart-esque speech to his soldiers in the face of impossible odds (love his lonesome charge, and love the way the two hobbits followed just a moment later, before everyone else), I was pretty satisfied with Aragorn's role.
As for beheading; she got to decapitate the fell beast, so doing the same to the Witch King would've been a tad redundant. I fully agree that he should've done a bit more damage before being taken down, though; they needed to establish him with the same kind of brutality they did with Sauron in FOTR. We did see him plow through horses earlier in the film, though, so it didn't bother me much. What complaint I might have had was done away with by that incredibly vicious club thingamajig he had. Not to mention his voice and helmet. Conceptually, he was one of the best-realized characters in the series, right up there with Gollum, the Balrog, and Shelob.
Speaking of Shelob....great movie monster. Absolutely, terrifyingly convincing. I thought she talked in the book, but it doesn't matter - she was horrible enough in the movie as it is. Actually, it would have been really nice to see her killed. Just imagining her still lurking somewhere on Mt. Doom is creepy.
It should be noted, though, that he didn't fight off all 9 on Weathertop. I believe he only took on 4 (one for each bed in the inn during the faux death bit in Bree). Might've been 5, though.
Zei - you're right that a lot of these are Tolkien's decisions, not Jackson's. I tend to be pretty hard on directors when they're working with original source material. Which is not to say that Jackson hasn't done the best damned job I've ever seen.
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And the bedside scene, which was straight out of The Wizard of Oz, was completely unnecessary.
"S-A-A-A-M!"
"G-I-I-I-M-L-I-I-I!"
"M-E-E-E-R-R-R-Y-Y-Y!"
"A-A-A-A-R-R-R-R-R-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-G-G-G-G-" you get the point.
Mind you, Gollum blew my mind. More so than in the last picture, the CGI Gollum was a dead ringer for Andy Serkis, even when not in close-up. In The Two Towers, Gollum looked most like Serkis in the schizophrenic monologue scene, which made sense because Serkis himself basically acted that scene. In Return of the King, Serkis and his facial mannerisms were there all the time, completely apparent in everything Gollum did, even when from a distance. It blew me away how far the technology had come, and how it allowed Serkis' performance to really shine through.
I hope Gollum is remembered as the first CGI character that really "worked" in the stead of a real actor, evoking emotions and portraying absolutely convincing character changes over time. This series proves that it IS possible.
Last edited by Sullivan; 12-27-03 at 07:58 PM.
Lord of the Rings...
Was this whole movie trilogy vastly overrated or what?
I mean... sure... it was somewhat entertaining... the special effects were good, and there was some interesting moralizing along the way... and the music wasn't bad...
But let's face it... there was no plot to speak of, other than a totally arbitrary chain of events, the characters were pretty shallow and two-dimensional and the movie just didn't have any sort of emotional depth at all. All in all, a somewhat blandly entertaining spectacle and not much else!
Was this whole movie trilogy vastly overrated or what?
I mean... sure... it was somewhat entertaining... the special effects were good, and there was some interesting moralizing along the way... and the music wasn't bad...
But let's face it... there was no plot to speak of, other than a totally arbitrary chain of events, the characters were pretty shallow and two-dimensional and the movie just didn't have any sort of emotional depth at all. All in all, a somewhat blandly entertaining spectacle and not much else!