Wow....still going on with the Profit VS Art debate.
No. As I clearly mentioned about three posts up, I want this conversation to end. I'm not interested in arguments whose soul function seems to be to undermine the value of any film that dares to do anything more than conventionally entertain. I only want to talk about the art element. And if you want to go on and on about profit, start a ****ing lemonade stand. Maybe if your lucky, John Waters will come around and give you ten cents to piss in one of your styrofoam cups.
When I got first interested in that one, it was when I used to go to a college "Film" series (not movies) and saw Films in the science auditorium with about 12 other Cinema fans, stuff like early Bergman, 8 1/2 and of course, Citizen Kane.
I think I heard this one before. And it's just as irrelevant to me as it was on the previous page. And the page before that. And all the other threads you've mentioned it in.
Clearly you are very proud of something here, even if it mostly sounds like you disdain everything that comes with an education. Maybe you think this lends what you say some kind of credit. You know, like when you try and sound erudite by mentioning Dickens.
We discussed just how decadent the movie world was, pandering to popular tastes and attitudes, all stuff that's still true.
What are you talking about. What is decadent? Who is pandering? I think you left some words out.
The economics have changed a bit and gotten even more intense (gambling with more money at stake), but the issue has not and you don't have to be in a university basement to debate it.
Debate what? Who's in a basement now?
So, what's the other side?
We need to have the first side before we can get to the other one.
"I was in a classroom once" is not the valid argument you seem to think it is
Does anybody in this discussion know where you'd go, what you'd see, if you wanted to see Cinema in its full glory as Art and not as popular pablum?
A movie theater? Is this a trick question?
I can't help but think of one of my local "Film" icons, John Waters, who made some early movies that had budgets like eight thousand bucks.
You'd think, considering how often you mention John Waters, and consider him your hero, that you might see how he embodies exactly what I've been calling for in film, but that you keep poo pooing because you keep saying art and profit are somehow mutually exclusive.
And before you even go there, yes, John Waters is an artist.
Nobody does movies for 8K anymore.
But they should
If it's not going to be conventionally entertaining, what will it be and what keeps me in the seat for a couple of hours?
I'd assume a heavy meal.
And why does everything always get back to where you park your ass? There are many asses in the world,.and they aren't all yours.
Whose bills? Mine? In that case, no one. I throw them out.
As I recall, this clip, locally well known, was made guerrilla-style, without permits or permission or a union contract, in Fells Point, next to the Broadway Market in Baltimore. I think Waters got arrested.
Got anymore random clips to share with us?