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Dr Strangelove is a fictional comedy war movie satire. I'm pretty sure we would all remember if the world was destroyed by H-bombs...or would we Like I said fun movie and while Peter Sellers is a real talent at playing a man of a 1000 faces, it's George C. Scott and Sterling Hayden who have me laughing the most.

If someone thinks it's not a war film, they are right. If someone else thinks it is a war film they are also right. I mean we are individuals and thank goodness we have different ways of viewing the world...and different visions of interpreting film, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.



It is clear many people - not just MoFos, but in general - think War Movie means a) soldiers and officers in combat and b) in an identifiable and named conflict. That's a pretty narrow and uninspired definition, but that's the way some folks roll their tanks.
Everybody has their own process for how to cast their votes. I can only speak for myself, but my decision to (mostly) abstain from non-conflict driven films (like Schindler's List) was more of a way to reduce the scope in order to make it easier to compare, rank, and choose my Top 25. Otherwise, the net would've been too full to pick and choose, but that's just me.

FWIW, I voted for Dr. Strangelove.
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Trouble with a capital "T"
Everybody has their own process for how to cast their votes. I can only speak for myself, but my decision to (mostly) abstain from non-conflict driven films (like Schindler's List) was more of a way to reduce the scope in order to make it easier to compare, rank, and choose my Top 25. Otherwise, the net would've been too full to pick and choose, but that's just me.

FWIW, I voted for Dr. Strangelove.
I like what you said. I think alot of us used some sort of metric to decide what is and isn't a war film for our own ballots. I know I did and my personal criteria was: it had to be about a real war and not a fictional war, though it need not have actual combat scenes in it. Actually as I prepped for the countdown and started watching war movies I found I mostly enjoyed war films that didn't have battle scenes or at least wasn't all action driven, but that's just me.



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My #19. The English Patient (1996)

No matter of all the controversies around this movie, I've decided it should be mentioned in this countdown and I added it to the ballot. The actors ensemble is wow!


80/100

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My Ballot

1. Empire of the Sun (1987) [#40]
2. Dr. Strangelove (1964) [#6]
3. The Pianist (2002) [#23]
4...
5. Underground (1995) [#43]
6. The Deer Hunter (1978) [#25]
7...
8. Ivan's Childhood (1962) [#56]
9. Platoon (1986) [#16]
10. The Great Dictator (1940) [#22]
11. The Thin Red Line (1998) [#17]
12...
13. Ice Cold In Alex (1958) [#119]
14. Enemy at the Gates (2001) [#88]
15. The Hill (1965) [#94]
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18. The Hurt Locker (2008) [#58]
19. The English Patient (1996) [DNP]
20. Hair (1979) [DNP]
21. Saving Private Ryan (1998) [#8]
22. Catch-22 (1970) [#116]
23...
24. Black Book (2006) [DNP]
25. The Book Thief (2013) [DNP]







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Stats: Final Pit Stop





Decade Breakdown
  • 2020s = 1
  • 2010s = 5
  • 2000s = 13
  • 1990s = 7
  • 1980s = 12
  • 1970s = 8
  • 1960s = 19
  • 1950s = 14
  • 1940s = 10
  • 1930s = 3
  • 1920s = 3

The 1960s will end up at the top, but the 1950s, 2000s, and 1980s would be close behind.


Repeating Directors
  • Sergei Bondarchuk = 3
  • Masaki Kobayashi = 3
  • Steven Spielberg = 3
  • Stanley Kubrick = 3
  • Emeric Pressburger & Michael Powell = 2
  • Andrzej Wadja = 2
  • Sidney Lumet = 2
  • Kon Ichikawa = 2
  • Kathryn Bigelow = 2
  • Ridley Scott = 2
  • Mel Gibson = 2
  • William Wyler = 2

Stanley Kubrick frogleaps most of the group with back-to-back entries.


War Breakdown
  • World War II = 54*
  • World War I = 7
  • Vietnam War = 6*
  • Napoleonic Wars = 5
  • American Civil War = 3
  • Cold War = 2
  • Rwandan Civil War = 1
  • War on Terror (Afghanistan) = 1
  • Unnamed civil war = 1
  • Crusades = 1
  • Second Boer War = 1
  • Gulf War = 1
  • Cambodian Civil War = 1
  • Somali Civil War = 1
  • Spanish Civil War = 1
  • Iraq War = 1
  • Lebanon War = 1
  • French and Indian War = 1
  • Seven Years War = 1
  • Somalian Civil War = 1
  • Korean War = 1
  • First War of Scottish Independence = 1
  • Algerian War = 1
  • Fictional Japanese war = 1

The results here are fairly predictable, with World War II clearly dominating, and World War I and Vietnam War close behind.



#5 #5
446 points, 27 lists
Lawrence of Arabia
Director

David Lean, 1962

Starring

Peter O'Toole, Alec Guinness, Anthony Quinn, Jack Hawkins



Lawrence of Arabia was my number 14. I haven't written anything yet, but I loved how it handled the characters and the history while leaving room for the cinematic experience.



Lawrence of Arabia was my #5. For the first 2 hours it's about as good as it gets. Afterwards it kinda has a little bit too much to drink. But, we all do eventually.



It’s A Classic Rope-A-Dope
Lawrence was my #1. One of a handful of movies that I think is objectively perfect. Was hoping for a win. Really surprised Kwai will be higher. Some of the ranking here towards the end has shocked me a bit.
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[...]

Repeating Directors
  • Sergei Bondarchuk = 3
  • Masaki Kobayashi = 3
  • Steven Spielberg = 3
  • Emeric Pressburger & Michael Powell = 2
  • Andrzej Wadja = 2
  • Sidney Lumet = 2
  • Kon Ichikawa = 2
  • Kathryn Bigelow = 2
  • Ridley Scott = 2
  • Mel Gibson = 2
  • William Wyler = 2
  • Stanley Kubrick = 2

Stanley Kubrick joins the list with back-to-back entries.
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Kubrick currently has three because of Barry Lyndon.



JWC's B-Sides:

#24 The Beguiled (1971) Clint and buddy Siegel craft an almost horror-lite tale of an injured soldier in the south that gets taken in by a group of women. Released the same year as Dirty Harry and Play Misty for Me, Clint had himself quite the year.

#23 Le Silence De La Mer (The Silence of the Sea) Early JP Melville about a Nazi soldier who comes to stay with a man and his niece who reward him with silence.



Lawrence of Arabia was #22 on my ballot. Here's what I wrote on it in a Hall of Fame:

This is the kind of film where there's not much I can say about its greatness that hasn't already been said, but since I read about some controversy about the apparent white savior elements of the film, I figured I'd respond to them. First things first, I don't have an issue with the white savior trope as long as the people the white person is helping aren't depicted as dumb or incompetent, and I'd say this film accomplishes that just fine. However, to dismiss Lawrence as a white savior is an inaccurate reading of his character. Instead of being portrayed as a hero, Lawrence is instead shown to be naïve for thinking he can save the Arabic people from the Turkish army and from British colonization. The film also makes a point to nullify many of Lawrence's significant accomplishments. For instance, acting as a father figure for Daud and Farraj is countered by how they both die in his company, his rescue of Gasim is countered when he's forced to execute him shortly afterwards, his decision to blow up the Ottoman railways is countered by how he's forced to execute one of his only remaining friends, his ambush of a group of retreating Turkish soldiers is countered by how he leads to the massacre of numerous surrendering soldiers and later regrets it, and his victory in capturing Damascus is countered by how they lose the city to British rule. Most importantly though, all his accomplishments in the film are countered by how they help pave way for British colonization. Given all that, it's clear Lawrence is actually presented as a modern Icarus rather than a hero. Calling this a white savior film because of Lawrence's success against the Turkish army misses the entire point. With that being said, "The Bridge on the River Kwai" is still my favorite David Lean film, mainly because the character dynamics and the final act in that film resonated with me more. If there's one area this film outshines the other one in though, it's the cinematography. In addition to having some terrific shots, like the iconic match scene and Ali's introduction, the numerous landscape views of the desert look incredible. Seemingly stretching out for miles and miles, they're at once beautiful and foreboding to look at. Overall, while I don't think this film will ever rise to favorite status, it's still great and I'm glad I was finally able to rewatch it.
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My updated ballot:

1. The Travelling Players (N/A)
2.
3.
4.
5. To Be or Not to Be (#41)
6. The Battle of Algiers (#24)
7.
8. The Best Years of Our Lives (#21)
9. From Here to Eternity (#30)
10. The Ascent (#33)
11. The Thin Red Line (#17)
12. Pan's Labyrinth (#54)
13. The General (#64)
14. Kanal (#61)
15. Red Angel (#100)
16. Underground (#43)
17. The Shop on Main Street (N/A)
18. This Land is Mine (N/A)
19. Barry Lyndon (#50)
20. Full Metal Jacket (#7)
21. The Fifth Seal (N/A)
22. Lawrence of Arabia (#5)
23. Johnny Got His Gun (#97)
24. Night and Fog (#48)
25. The Deer Hunter (#25)



Trouble with a capital "T"
Lawrence of Arabia won the 30th HoF. I'm glad it made top 5 but wish it was higher!

I wrote this about it in the 30th HoF:

Lawrence of Arabia
(David Lean 1962)



Second watch and I'm even more impressed than the first time...and the first time blew me away. I'm so impressed that I don't know if I have the words to do this film justice.

When I watched this some years ago I was amazed at the cinematography. I just don't mean the beautiful desert locations I mean the choice of the camera lens which is often wide angle and the choice of the composition and the lighting...it's all sublime.

This time around I realized how powerful the script was. Especially the handling of the story of a man who would be a self proclaimed prophet and lead a people to their destiny. No one could have pulled this off like the odd and interesting Peter O'Toole.

But you know what struck me the most? Was how much Frank Herbert's 1965 novel Dune was inspired by this movie. Just watch David Lynch's 1984 Dune and then watch Lawrence of Arabia to see what I mean. I love the novel Dune and even Lynch's 1984 Dune so while watching Lawrence of Arabia I felt like I was watching a prequel to Dune.






Might as well post my #18 "Kelly's Heroes" (1970). A great ensemble cast in this WW2 farce for Nazi gold. Thought it would be in the 75-100 range. For shame, because it is pure fun.

Seen: 53 / 95
Never heard of: 18 / 95
1-ptrs seen: 7

My ballot: