Spectre (Bond 24)

Can anyone explain to me why spectre still feela average even after 2 viewings? What went wrong with the movie, i believe the action felt average thats whats wrong, and lame usage of blofeld,

I like how MovieBob summed it up in his review - if the first few Craig Bonds were attempts to mimic both the Bourne series and Nolan's Batman movies, then Spectre was Bond trying to be a Marvel movie. Awkward arc-building with a man-behind-the-man villain, it's too bloated (the longest Bond movie ever as of writing) and at once full of strands that don't go anywhere (e.g. Monica Bellucci), plus it's very much the usual executive meddling where writers have to work around pre-planned setpieces and developments instead of the other way around (and Blofeld originally wasn't going to be Blofeld so they've just awkwardly added it onto a whole new Blofeld-like villain without changing much). As for the action, it is very by-the-numbers compared to the unconventional (for this franchise) climax of Skyfall (and I'd say that the action wasn't particularly strong in Skyfall either for the most part so it just feels like more of the same here). In short - too many cooks.

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it kinda feels better than quantom of solace but it was the same kind of lameness when it comes to action, spectre suffers from generic plotting if u compare it with casino royale and skyfall.

I saw it again recently. It's one of those Bond movies that's hard for me to take in since it's a mix of good and really bad elements. There is one thing I came across though, that really puzzles me. I read it was banned in India and had to be edited down cause of the kissing scene being too erotic. Why? Like in this article:

https://www.nico.gov.ng/index.php/ca...kissing-scenes

But the thing, is is that India's movies have sex scenes. I even saw one where a woman is raped, and they were not shy to show the whole process from beginning to end, cause they wanted to show how it started and how it ended understandably.

So why is it that in India, you see sex scenes in movies no problem, but a kissing scene in a Bond movie is too erotic for them to handle? Unless there is some distinction that I am missing?

The movie does have mood,, and it carries on til the end, it s just that the action sequences are not well paced and too far from each other,, and well the underusage of christoph waltz is a major issue, my best scene in the movie is when bond enters the secret meeting in rome and blofeld knows he s there...the peak of the film i must say

I think even moreso than most Bond films it ended up as very uneven having some really nice scenes sections to it and a lot that didn't really work. As mentioned re writes to the script during production seemed like they hurt it a lot confusing the plot and tone, still though I think the opening is excellent as are the Mr White/Swan scenes. The latter I think is actually the films main achievement finally giving is a Bond girl of real substance.

I’ve seen it once and remember the only thing I liked about it was that opening tracking shot. Other than that it was barren, emotionless and forgettable. Terrible waste of money and talent but managed to get critical acclaim.

Even the opening shot doesn't hold up once you realise that practically nothing happens in it.

I can t help but say again?how criminally underused blofeld is here..

Both Spectre and Skyfall looked drab rather than glamorous. The trouble with both is that they want to have their cake and eat it- Bond to be more psychologically convincing and ‘modern’ yet they also want camp villains. The Spectre twist was dire- at the moment, it’s sliding into soap opera.

Skyfall originates these problems- it's only the timing with it being 50th anniversary, sense of patriotism through 2012 Olympics and the disappointment of QoS that meant people heaped praise onto it. To be honest, I found Bond’s personal struggles in QoS much more psychologically plausible/dramatic than anything in Skyfall.

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Skyfall is a much more solid film plot wise, i can t say anything bad about it and it has a satisfying finale although i hated that M would die in the process, silva is a much more comolex villain and one that is emotionally attached to the whole situation,i mean he was part of the same program he was part of the family only to turn bad..

I'll echo what has already been mentioned. For the most part it is a well-directed film, but my main gripe with the film is the underdeveloped villain. And when you consider the fact that none other than Christoph Waltz (with godlike performances in Basterds and Django) plays the part, it could have been so much better...

The thing I don't like about it, is that they went for this twist with Blofeld. They pretty much re-use the same twist out of the third Austin Powers movie, or it's heavily implied. They actually used an Austin Powers twist...

I also really thought Bond had pretty flat chemistry with the main woman as well. In fact, he had much better chemistry with the first woman even though she was only with him for like 10 minutes. I feel that the Bond women really should have been switched. Unless I am wrong?

I do find that there is good chemistry between the two in specter, lea seydoux is more feminine and sensual compared to the other women in previous films

Oh really, maybe, but maybe there was something off about her I found.

The pre-credits scene was about a lost memory stick! Silva was straight out of the seventies- a camp gay villain with mother issues. Considering the ending of QoS, there is no way Bond would have just chucked it in because of a mid-life crisis.

Skyfall and Spectre perpetuate the formula of the Craig Bond films- in every film he has quit. Whilst it added drama in Casino Royale, it becomes anti-climactic as we know he isn’t going to throw in the towel. S and S also ramp up the soapy personal issues that bog down the films in their attempt to try and tie everything together.

I agree, didn’t find her particularly memorable at all, whereas Vesper Lynd is still memorable after nearly 15 years.