The MoFo Top 100 Neo-noir Countdown
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I know, as a whole there is a negative attitude toward remakes.
I suspect the D.O.A. remake with Dennis Quaid and Meg Ryan must have gotten a couple votes, that premise is so appealing. I thought the Kevin Costner/Gene Hackman No Way Out, which reworks the Ray Milland/Charles Laughton-starrer The Big Clock, might make it even if some of the voters didn't even realize it was a remake (and not of the Sidney Poitier/Richard Widmark 1950 Noir of the same name).
There are plenty of others: Narrow Margin, Night and the City, Kiss of Death, The Desperate Hours, The Big Sleep, Thieves Like Us (They Live By Night), The Underneath (Criss Cross), Farewell, My Lovely (Murder, My Sweet). Can't say as I am shocked that none of them rose to the level of the Top 100, though all of them (save The Big Clock) made it onto the Classic Noir list.
A few remakes of other Neo Noirs made it: Scorsese's Cape Fear and The Departed and Minghella's The Talented Mr. Ripley. But that was it.
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I read Holden's post, and I end up with a Phil Collins song stuck in my head for the trouble!
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I don't think of Se7en as neo-noir, but I think that's because I don't think of many films as neo-noir, however once I started to look at things through that prism, then Se7en was a definiite. I had it at #3.
Actually, one of the first films which did occur to me but I ended up not putting on my list was After Dark, My Sweet. I just couldn't remember enough, even if I liked it that much or not, to justify it to myself.
If Chinatown isn't #1 then the whole list is void.
Actually, one of the first films which did occur to me but I ended up not putting on my list was After Dark, My Sweet. I just couldn't remember enough, even if I liked it that much or not, to justify it to myself.
If Chinatown isn't #1 then the whole list is void.
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I don't think of Se7en as neo-noir, but I think that's because I don't think of many films as neo-noir, however once I started to look at things through that prism, then Se7en was a definiite. I had it at #3.
Actually, one of the first films which did occur to me but I ended up not putting on my list was After Dark, My Sweet. I just couldn't remember enough, even if I liked it that much or not, to justify it to myself.
If Chinatown isn't #1 then the whole list is void.
Actually, one of the first films which did occur to me but I ended up not putting on my list was After Dark, My Sweet. I just couldn't remember enough, even if I liked it that much or not, to justify it to myself.
If Chinatown isn't #1 then the whole list is void.
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If Chinatown isn't #1 then the whole list is void.
Either way, I didn't vote for it. There are still two films from my ballot that will show up. I'm holding on to a tiny shred of hope that one of them comes out on top, but I'm pretty sure they won't.
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Taxi Driver did place a few spots higher than Chinatown on the MoFo Top 100 of the 1970s list. But asking for general placement voting versus a specific genre may well yield different results, for example the way Blood Simple finished higher here than much more universally beloved Coen flicks. The Long Goodbye was only nineteenth on that '70s list but seems to have made the Top Five, here. We will know very shortly.
@Thief, take it away...
@Thief, take it away...
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Robert Altman, 1973
Elliott Gould, Nina van Pallandt, Sterling Hayden, Mark Rydell
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The Long Goodbye
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Robert Altman, 1973
Starring
Elliott Gould, Nina van Pallandt, Sterling Hayden, Mark Rydell
TRAILERS
The Long Goodbye - Private investigator Philip Marlowe helps a friend out of a jam, but in doing so gets implicated in his wife's murder while taking another case that might or might not be related.
Here, TCM host Ben Mankiewicz shares his introduction to the film.
The Long Goodbye - Private investigator Philip Marlowe helps a friend out of a jam, but in doing so gets implicated in his wife's murder while taking another case that might or might not be related.
Here, TCM host Ben Mankiewicz shares his introduction to the film.
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This, along with Night Moves, were probably the two that I most wanted to get to before the countdown, but I just couldn't. It's a big blindspot that I will try to remedy soon.
SEEN: 69/96
MY BALLOT: 21/25
SEEN: 69/96
MY BALLOT: 21/25
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List facts!
The Long Goodbye is Robert Altman's second entry in the countdown, after The Player (#47).
The 70 point gap between Seven and The Long Goodbye will be the second biggest gap in all the countdown.
The Long Goodbye is Robert Altman's second entry in the countdown, after The Player (#47).
The 70 point gap between Seven and The Long Goodbye will be the second biggest gap in all the countdown.
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5. The Long Goodbye
5. The Long Goodbye
5. The Long Goodbye
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The first time I saw The Long Goodbye it was very inauspicious, and a far less than ideal presentation. You kids born in the 1990s and 2000s will not remember, but there was such a thing as black and white television sets. I mean, originally ALL televisions were only capable of black and white, but even long after color sets became the standard you could still purchase black and white sets for far less. My family had one, initially as a small “extra” TV that went in our kitchen in the 1970s. But that little sucker hung around (bright yellow plastic), and at one point it became mine. Until I later wrangled a color set for my bedroom, I had this one. Not only was it black and white, but it was teeny. Probably 13”, maybe even smaller than some of the laptop screens you may be reading this on. But, it was mine. Wasn’t hooked up to cable, either, just the rabbit ears for local programming.
One night the late movie on one of my local UHF channels was The Long Goodbye. I was probably thirteen. I didn’t really know much about Altman at that point, I had only seen MASH (1970) on TV, which my Dad was a big fan of. I hadn’t yet read any Raymond Chandler or quite hit my devouring as many old movies as I can phase. The movie started, and even panned and scanned on a crap B&W set, periodically interrupted by commercials, something about it drew me right in. I loved ”The Rockford Files” and other P.I. and cop shows, but this was different. The first ten minutes is a guy talking to his cat then grocery shopping for it. What am I even watching? As it all unfolded in that lackadaisical Altman fashion, I was more and more transfixed. Not by the mystery or who done it, but by the attitude and the dreamlike nature of it all. I watched it until the wee hours of the morning and that was that. It was an odd but undeniably fascinating movie, even through the dreadful little old TV.
It stayed with me, and while I hadn’t seen it again all the years since, I never forgot it. Then when I got my first LaserDisc player – I think this was the Christmas I was twenty-one – when I went out to buy my first round of discs at Suncoast Motion Picture Company, a chain that used to be in Malls back in the ‘80s and ‘90s, there it was: Robert Altman’s The Long Goodbye. It was an unlikely pick among the stacks and stacks to choose from, but it became one of the first seven or eight LDs I owned. But now not only was I older, not only had my cinematic appreciation and experience grown exponentially, and not only had I read all of Chandler, but the LaserDisc was letterboxed, and I now had a big color television. As much as it had transfixed me the first viewing, now I was blown away by this weird, funny, funky little movie. It was Chandler, but it also very much wasn’t. Much more Altman than Chandler, but such an ultimately powerful take on the material, setting our knight errant into the hazy Los Angeles of 1973, post-Manson Murders, during the Watergate trial, with the mainstream power structure being replaced by naked Hippies and cats with refined palates. And Altman’s widescreen visuals and audio techniques and my god the John Williams theme played twenty different ways, all anchored by Elliott Gould’s weary and bemused Marlowe who it turns out is about the only honorable fella left in this f*cked up town. I loved it.
Now that I owned it, and since my collection was only starting*, I watched The Long Goodbye over and over and over again, as one should. The laissez-faire surface cynicism masking true resentment and morality is rather brilliant. Along with Harry Mosby in Arthur Penn’s Night Moves (#40), The Long Goodbye is probably the best of the ‘70s Noirs at transplanting not the tropes and plot of the Classic Noirs but juxtaposing the inherent justice and morality of that era with the conspiratorial new world.
The Long Goodbye was #2 on my ballot, twenty-four of its 389 points.
*difficult for me to remember exactly at this point, now that we are over thirty years onward, but I believe the discs I got with my player that my Dad picked out for me were The Empire Strikes Back, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, The Philadelphia Story, and Young Frankenstein. In that first trip to the video store in the couple days after Christmas I believe my first purchases were The Long Goodbye, Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978), The Blues Brothers, Die Hard, and A Fistful of Dollars. My collection ultimately grew to over 700 titles before the advent of and explosion in popularity of DVD that killed the format in 1998-ish. I donated a few boxes worth to a theatre fundraiser in Portland, OR and sold a few here and there, but I still have hundreds and hundreds of LaserDiscs. Jealous? I didn’t think so. My wife would greatly appreciate if somebody would come and take them all out of our garage, please.
One night the late movie on one of my local UHF channels was The Long Goodbye. I was probably thirteen. I didn’t really know much about Altman at that point, I had only seen MASH (1970) on TV, which my Dad was a big fan of. I hadn’t yet read any Raymond Chandler or quite hit my devouring as many old movies as I can phase. The movie started, and even panned and scanned on a crap B&W set, periodically interrupted by commercials, something about it drew me right in. I loved ”The Rockford Files” and other P.I. and cop shows, but this was different. The first ten minutes is a guy talking to his cat then grocery shopping for it. What am I even watching? As it all unfolded in that lackadaisical Altman fashion, I was more and more transfixed. Not by the mystery or who done it, but by the attitude and the dreamlike nature of it all. I watched it until the wee hours of the morning and that was that. It was an odd but undeniably fascinating movie, even through the dreadful little old TV.
It stayed with me, and while I hadn’t seen it again all the years since, I never forgot it. Then when I got my first LaserDisc player – I think this was the Christmas I was twenty-one – when I went out to buy my first round of discs at Suncoast Motion Picture Company, a chain that used to be in Malls back in the ‘80s and ‘90s, there it was: Robert Altman’s The Long Goodbye. It was an unlikely pick among the stacks and stacks to choose from, but it became one of the first seven or eight LDs I owned. But now not only was I older, not only had my cinematic appreciation and experience grown exponentially, and not only had I read all of Chandler, but the LaserDisc was letterboxed, and I now had a big color television. As much as it had transfixed me the first viewing, now I was blown away by this weird, funny, funky little movie. It was Chandler, but it also very much wasn’t. Much more Altman than Chandler, but such an ultimately powerful take on the material, setting our knight errant into the hazy Los Angeles of 1973, post-Manson Murders, during the Watergate trial, with the mainstream power structure being replaced by naked Hippies and cats with refined palates. And Altman’s widescreen visuals and audio techniques and my god the John Williams theme played twenty different ways, all anchored by Elliott Gould’s weary and bemused Marlowe who it turns out is about the only honorable fella left in this f*cked up town. I loved it.
Now that I owned it, and since my collection was only starting*, I watched The Long Goodbye over and over and over again, as one should. The laissez-faire surface cynicism masking true resentment and morality is rather brilliant. Along with Harry Mosby in Arthur Penn’s Night Moves (#40), The Long Goodbye is probably the best of the ‘70s Noirs at transplanting not the tropes and plot of the Classic Noirs but juxtaposing the inherent justice and morality of that era with the conspiratorial new world.
The Long Goodbye was #2 on my ballot, twenty-four of its 389 points.
*difficult for me to remember exactly at this point, now that we are over thirty years onward, but I believe the discs I got with my player that my Dad picked out for me were The Empire Strikes Back, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, The Philadelphia Story, and Young Frankenstein. In that first trip to the video store in the couple days after Christmas I believe my first purchases were The Long Goodbye, Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978), The Blues Brothers, Die Hard, and A Fistful of Dollars. My collection ultimately grew to over 700 titles before the advent of and explosion in popularity of DVD that killed the format in 1998-ish. I donated a few boxes worth to a theatre fundraiser in Portland, OR and sold a few here and there, but I still have hundreds and hundreds of LaserDiscs. Jealous? I didn’t think so. My wife would greatly appreciate if somebody would come and take them all out of our garage, please.
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The Long Goodbye also holds the eternal distinction of being the finest film Arnold Schwarzenegger will ever be involved with.
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More videos, because there can never be enough discussion of and rumination about The Long Goodbye. Not for this MoFo's taste, anyway...
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