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I never saw that clip before with Yvonne Craig! (Wow! )
Funny thing is I watched MOST of that movie a couple years ago, but must have missed that part - I only remember Elvis's co-stars being a little girl he was taking care of and a blond nurse he was after...
That's the best part and why I posted that! I didn't have too much to say I just wanted to post a video with Yvonne Craig Just to keep topical Yvonne was in another Elvis musical, Kissin' Cousins (1964) A short song with her and Elvis.



That's the best part and why I posted that! I didn't have too much to say I just wanted to post a video with Yvonne Craig Just to keep topical Yvonne was in another Elvis musical, Kissin' Cousins (1964) A short song with her and Elvis.
I didn't know she was in more than one Elvis movie!

(But that dress from World's Fair! OMG!)

But enough about that... all I'll say is that Yvonne could always rock a short hair cut!



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I didn't know she was in more than one Elvis movie!

(But that dress from World's Fair! OMG!)

But enough about that... all I'll say is that Yvonne could always rock a short hair cut!
I wish she made more movies, I've seen most of them.




Dames (1934)

There are some jobs in film making that are thankless...but that ain't one of them! That looks like Busby Berkeley in the director's chair and the cinematographer might be Joan Blondell's 1st husband, George Barnes. Joan Blondell is credited as staring in the film and her airtime is good. But most of the film revolves around Guy Kibbee who's set to inherit 10 million from his eccentric relative (Hugh Herbert) who's creating a decency league to stamp out 'immoral' stage plays. This comes right after the creation of the very real Hays Production Code and seems to be a comment on how silly that code was.

The millionaire's nephew (Dick Powell) is the black sheep of the family and is producing 'one of those' type plays called Sweet and Hot. Guy Kibbee's daughter (Ruby Keeler) is in love Powell. The movie is funny enough and charming too with Powell and Keeler pairing well as a young 'Romeo and Juliet' romantic couple.

Some amazing and strange numbers from Busby Berkeley. Like the staging for I Only Have Eyes For You where all the chorus girls look like Ruby Keeler. Poor Ruby I once read where she was horribly embarrassed by it all.




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I haven't seen Dames, but it's scheduled to air on Turner Classic Movies this Wednesday morning, and I already set my DVR to record it.
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Right. The vast majority of movies have background music, but we don't call them "musicals".

I guess there are a few different kind of movie musicals, I'm just wondering if there are terms for each of them: we've got typical "musicals" (ala Elvis movies), then we've got "operas" (where virtually the entire story is told through song, ala The Umbrellas of Chambord), then we've got movies about music (this is where I'm wondering if there's a term for them) that feature music, but don't present it in the way typical musicals do.

I'd like to say that That Thing You Do is a musical bio-pic (which is a substantial category itself), but since it's fiction, I don't know if the term "bio-pic" would apply. (???)

Then I wonder how Fantasia (1940) would be classified? It's all music (no spoken words), but not exactly an opera. (I believe it's entirely instrumental as well.) "Animated Musical Anthology?"

I don't know the exact terms for each type of musical, but I found this article that explains some of the different types of musicals. (I think it's mainly about Broadway musicals, but it gives you an idea of the different types of musicals.)

https://www.superprof.co.uk/blog/types-of-musicals/

Book Musicals - Musicals with a strong narrative structure, where songs and dances are fully integrated into a story. ("Les Misérables", "The Phantom of the Opera", "West Side Story")

Revue Musicals - A collection of songs, dances, and sketches, often without a unifying plot, focusing on a theme or composer. ("Ain't Misbehavin'", "Fosse", "Smokey Joe's Cafe")

Jukebox Musicals - Musicals that use previously released popular songs from a particular artist or genre, woven into a narrative. ("Mamma Mia!", "Jersey Boys", "We Will Rock You")

Film Musicals - Musicals originally created for film, often adapted into stage productions later, or vice versa. ("The Lion King", "Hairspray", "The Producers")

Concept Musicals - Musicals where the show's message or theme is more important than the narrative, often experimental in nature. ("Cats", "A Chorus Line", "Company")

Pop/Rock Musicals - Musicals that feature contemporary pop or rock music, often appealing to a broader, younger audience. ("Rent", "American Idiot", "Hamilton")


They are all explained in much more detail in the article.



Next controversial question: how many musical numbers make a movie a "musical"?
(Hint: I don't think it's just one because I can think of several movies that have only one or two musical numbers that no one thinks of a "musicals".)

I think the answer to this might be different for everyone, but I would think that the minimum would be at least 4 or 5 musical numbers to consider a movie a "musical". (It's probably a higher number for people who like musicals than it is for people who dislike musicals.)



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I'd like to say that That Thing You Do is a musical bio-pic (which is a substantial category itself), but since it's fiction, I don't know if the term "bio-pic" would apply. (???)
Yeah, I agree TTYD is a tricky one.
Is every film with music performed in it a musical? Is Roadhouse a musical because Jeff Healey performs a song in it? Are concert-films musicals? I know we all talked before in the big thread about what is and what isn't and there is no consensus but in the case of TTYD I personally, and this is just me, struggle to really even think of it as a musical at all. A movie about a band that has them performing just one song over and over again with no songs that occur spontaneously as part of the story or moment expressing thoughts or feelings of the characters... it's kinda way outside of Musical for me.



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Singing in the Rain (1952)

All of the Broadway Melody musical number is nicely staged, I especially loved the set design and color pallet used in that image above. But that image hardly does the dance segment justice. The woman is wearing a veil that's incredible long, 50 feet long! A wind machine is used to blow the veil sky high! It's really a thing of beauty and accentuates the already intrinsic feeling of a set design that seems to stretch to infinity.

The other segment of Broadway Melody that struck me was the jazz speak easy club number with that same woman decked out in a Louise Brooks style flapper outfit and hairdo. Her emerald green dress really pops against the deep red background of the set...Cyd Charisse is that woman. IMO she was the best female dancer to ever glide over the silver screen. Always a joy to see her dance and a good actress too.

My other favorite number was the duel dance with Gene Kelly and Donald O'Connor at that start of the film. It's a good dance number and it's fun to compare their styles. Donald O'Connor is an underrated dancer, he's easily on par with Gene Kelly.

I liked Gene in this quite well, he's suited to the role of a big silent movie star who's been paired with a blonde beauty with a squeaky voice (Jean Hagen). Jean is funny here and so is Donald O'Connor as Cosmo. I must say I liked a young Debbie Reynolds and I didn't know she was such a skilled dancer herself and she sang too.

With all those strong points I do like Singin' In The Rain but it's not an all time favorite and I'm not sure why everyone seems to think it's the greatest musical of all time. The story of the silent film industry in Hollywood was interesting and the songs are good but the character's stories weren't that compelling, especially the romance between Kelly and Reynolds.

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Singing in the Rain (1952)

All of the Broadway Melody musical number is nicely staged, I especially loved the set design and color pallet used in that image above. But that image hardly does the dance segment justice. The woman is wearing a veil that's incredible long, 50 feet long! A wind machine is used to blow the veil sky high! It's really a thing of beauty and accentuates the already intrinsic feeling of a set design that seems to stretch to infinity.

The other segment of Broadway Melody that struck me was the jazz speak easy club number with that same woman decked out in a Louise Brooks style flapper outfit and hairdo. Her emerald green dress really pops against the deep red background of the set...Cyd Charisse is that woman. IMO she was the best female dancer to ever glide over the silver screen. Always a joy to see her dance and a good actress too.

My other favorite number was the duel dance with Gene Kelly and Donald O'Connor at that start of the film. It's a good dance number and it's fun to compare their styles. Donald O'Connor is an underrated dancer, he's easily on par with Gene Kelly.

I liked Gene in this quite well, he's suited to the role of a big silent movie star who's been paired with a blonde beauty with a squeaky voice (Jean Hagen). Jean is funny here and so is Donald O'Connor as Cosmo. I must say I liked a young Debbie Reynolds and I didn't know she was such a skilled dancer herself and she sang too.

With all those strong points I do like Singin' In The Rain but it's not an all time favorite and I'm not sure why everyone seems to think it's the greatest musical of all time. The story of the silent film industry in Hollywood was interesting and the songs are good but the character's stories weren't that compelling, especially the romance between Kelly and Reynolds.

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I don't think it's the greatest musical of all time (as you know) but I do like it quite a lot. Some of the numbers are just so fun and so good and I enjoy the storyline very much and I thought Jean Hagen was great and Gene Kelly is my all-time favorite dancer except maybe for Cyd Charisse (here in my favorite dance of hers)... just a lot to like here for me.



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I don't think it's the greatest musical of all time (as you know) but I do like it quite a lot. Some of the numbers are just so fun and so good and I enjoy the storyline very much and I thought Jean Hagen was great and Gene Kelly is my all-time favorite dancer except maybe for Cyd Charisse (here in my favorite dance of hers)... just a lot to like here for me.
I'm a big fan of Cyd Charisse, even when she's not dancing like in the color noir directed by Nicholas Ray Party Girl (1958). Singin' In The Rain will for sure make the countdown and I wouldn't be surprised if it's number one. Then again I suppose alot of people voting might not have seen it, so who knows where it will land on the countdown?



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I haven't seen Dames, but it's scheduled to air on Turner Classic Movies this Wednesday morning, and I already set my DVR to record it.
Let me know what you thought of Dames when you watch it.



I don't think it's the greatest musical of all time (as you know) but I do like it quite a lot. Some of the numbers are just so fun and so good and I enjoy the storyline very much and I thought Jean Hagen was great and Gene Kelly is my all-time favorite dancer except maybe for Cyd Charisse (here in my favorite dance of hers)... just a lot to like here for me.

I agree with this 100%.



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Summer Stock (1950)

Charmingly simple movie with a down-home farm story that pays homage to Judy Garland's earlier musical career where she starred in youth orientated musicals with Mickey Rooney. Like those older musicals, here a group of enthusiastic newcomers stage a musical in a barn for summer stock practice. The more simple story of farm life juxtaposed with stage performers milking cows and gathering eggs was fun!

The musical numbers aren't big and splashy but they got heart. Loved the opening number, Friendly Star, with Judy driving her farm tractor down a country dirt road while singing greetings to her neighbors. Gene Kelly's dance on the barn floor with a piece of old newspaper was inspired, simplistic artistry, enjoyed that. Get Happy with Judy in a very short tux outfit looked and sounded great. That was the same outfit she wore in the deleted Mr Monotony number from Easter Parade. Sadly in her personal life Judy was suffering psychologically and mentally, so much so that she missed many shooting days on the set causing MGM to terminate her contract...Judy would make only one more musical A Star is Born four years later.





Let me know what you thought of Dames when you watch it.
I just finished watching Dames (1934). It's a pretty good movie, but it has too many "dames" for those of us who don't "go to shows just to see the dames". Both Dick Powell and Joan Blondell are great in the movie, but while Joan Blondell is a great actress, she doesn't have a great voice.

I enjoyed the movie, but it won't make my list.




Summer Stock (1950)

Charmingly simple movie with a down-home farm story that pays homage to Judy Garland's earlier musical career where she starred in youth orientated musicals with Mickey Rooney. Like those older musicals, here a group of enthusiastic newcomers stage a musical in a barn for summer stock practice. The more simple story of farm life juxtaposed with stage performers milking cows and gathering eggs was fun!

The musical numbers aren't big and splashy but they got heart. Loved the opening number, Friendly Star, with Judy driving her farm tractor down a country dirt road while singing greetings to her neighbors. Gene Kelly's dance on the barn floor with a piece of old newspaper was inspired, simplistic artistry, enjoyed that. Get Happy with Judy in a very short tux outfit looked and sounded great. That was the same outfit she wore in the deleted Mr Monotony number from Easter Parade. Sadly in her personal life Judy was suffering psychologically and mentally, so much so that she missed many shooting days on the set causing MGM to terminate her contract...Judy would make only one more musical A Star is Born four years later.



I always felt that Summer Stock was a very underrated movie. It seems to get lost behind some of the more popular Gene Kelly and/or Judy Garland movies.



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I just finished watching Dames (1934). It's a pretty good movie, but it has too many "dames" for those of us who don't "go to shows just to see the dames". Both Dick Powell and Joan Blondell are great in the movie, but while Joan Blondell is a great actress, she doesn't have a great voice.

I enjoyed the movie, but it won't make my list.
When Dames was over I said to my wife I bet that was the last time they let Joan Blondell sing in a musical. But I liked her washer woman laundry number, that was fun.

I always felt that Summer Stock was a very underrated movie. It seems to get lost behind some of the more popular Gene Kelly and/or Judy Garland movies.
I've seen three Gene Kelly movies in the last three nights, Singin In The Rain, Summer Stock and tonight I watched An American in Paris. All were good but Summer Stock is my favorite of the three.




Summer Stock (1950)

Charmingly simple movie with a down-home farm story that pays homage to Judy Garland's earlier musical career where she starred in youth orientated musicals with Mickey Rooney. Like those older musicals, here a group of enthusiastic newcomers stage a musical in a barn for summer stock practice. The more simple story of farm life juxtaposed with stage performers milking cows and gathering eggs was fun!

The musical numbers aren't big and splashy but they got heart. Loved the opening number, Friendly Star, with Judy driving her farm tractor down a country dirt road while singing greetings to her neighbors. Gene Kelly's dance on the barn floor with a piece of old newspaper was inspired, simplistic artistry, enjoyed that. Get Happy with Judy in a very short tux outfit looked and sounded great. That was the same outfit she wore in the deleted Mr Monotony number from Easter Parade. Sadly in her personal life Judy was suffering psychologically and mentally, so much so that she missed many shooting days on the set causing MGM to terminate her contract...Judy would make only one more musical A Star is Born four years later.


Friendly Star is not the opening number on the tractor. The number on the tractor is called Happy Harvest