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That was the ballet sequence I posted, well of what I could find of it in youtube. It runs for 15 minutes or just over I think.

I would argue the placement of that is perfect within the story of the film and the Gene Kelly's and Leslie Caron's characters' relationship in that film and the dilemma at the end and in that exact moment the disappointment and absolutely heartbreak that Kelly's character is facing where he has no other option but to retreat into his mind and dream/fantasy sequence where everything plays out.

Not only do I think it's a perfect moment in the film and a brilliant way to end the film, which of course La La Land paid open homage to, but the American in Paris ballet sequence taken within the context of the entire film and everything building up to that point, is not only one of the single greatest 15 minutes in musicals, but it's one of the greatest 15 minutes in all of film. Period.
There's an intellectual argument for the placement of the ballet number at the end of the movie, as you just said. But for me the emotional placement was wrong as it erased the emotional impact of the resolution between the two leads. But I know why the ballet was placed at the end, it was so that the film ended on a more upbeat note. Film makers knew audiences didn't want an unhappy ending. It's the same thing that happens with the ending of Thelma and Louise...to keep the film from being to down beat, the last images are of happy photos of Thelma and Louise. I've noticed a lot of movies do this back in the day and more recently too.



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Also in AFI's list of top musicals, which for some unknown reason to me, only included a top 25 instead of their top 100, An American in Paris was listed at number nine. And for years and years among cinephiles I think there was debate over which was THE Gene Kelly musical and of course it went back and forth between An American in Paris and Singin' in the Rain.

https://www.afi.com/afis-100-years-of-musicals/
Yeah that list should be a Top 100, why didn't do that? But what the hell The Umbrellas of Cherbourg isn't even on the list.



Also in AFI's list of top musicals, which for some unknown reason to me, only included a top 25 instead of their top 100, An American in Paris was listed at number nine. And for years and years among cinephiles I think there was debate over which was THE Gene Kelly musical and of course it went back and forth between An American in Paris and Singin' in the Rain.

https://www.afi.com/afis-100-years-of-musicals/
So, this must mean anything can happened then, who knows maybe another movie that we thought would be top 10 comes in soon. Please let it be Singin in the Rain, of course it won't be but it will change this list completely if it comes in soon or at least off the top 10. Kubrick needs to stay off top 10 for once
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Count me among those surprised to see An American in Paris come up this early. I thought it was a delightful musical with an interesting story. I think Gene Kelly and Leslie Caron were great together, and the musical numbers and dances were gorgeous. I had it at #7.

I'm a fan of Pink Floyd, but I've never seen The Wall. Should probably rectify that.


SEEN: 17/60
MY BALLOT: 6/25

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I'm thinking that if I had seen The Wall more recently, I would probably come to the conclusion that it didn't fit my definition of a musical. There's a couple of others like that.

I've seen An American in Paris. I couldn't have liked it too much because it wasn't on my contenders list and I referenced all of my past ratings.

5. Charlotte's Web (#79)
7. Stingray Sam (#46)
10. The Lure (#51)
14. A Star is Born (#43)
17. Calamity Jane (#84)
20. Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street (#66)
21. A Star is Born 1954 (#67)
23. Pink Floyd - The Wall (#41)
25. 42nd Street (#76)



Added 3 to my "have seen it" list with Alice in Wonderland my #20. Leaving The Wall off my ballot is easily my biggest oversight so far. I never even thought of it.

I've told this story before but it might bear repeating. I first watched The Wall in a small room off a bowling alley at Tooele Army Depot in Utah. The building was sort of an all purpose activities center for the base. But it was such a small installation that there was no secured gate at the time. Anyway, about seven of us were in this small room with a projector and several cans of film. We had to keep getting up and changing the reels. Two of the people were this (very) young soldier and his "date", who looked old enough to be his mother or maybe even grandmother. They spent the whole movie enthusiastically making out with each other. The rest of us mostly concentrated on Pink Floyd while trying to ignore the make out session. I still don't know which was trippier.

Have watched 16 of 60 with 7 so far on my ballot.

The Wall
The Muppet Movie
Alice in Wonderland (#20)
Inside Llewyn Davis (#8)
Corpse Bride (#24)
The Jungle Book
Duck Soup
O Brother, Where Art Thou?
Yellow Submarine
Purple Rain (my #9)
White Christmas
The Burden
Gigi (#17)
Tommy (#15)
Amadeus
Cinderella (#5)



Stats: Pit Stop #6




Now that we've hit the sixth pit stop (40), here are some stats:

Decade Breakdown
  • 1920s = 0
  • 1930s = 5
  • 1940s = 2
  • 1950s = 12
  • 1960s = 5
  • 1970s = 6
  • 1980s = 8
  • 1990s = 4
  • 2000s = 6
  • 2010s = 10
  • 2020s = 2

The 1950s keep rolling as they nab three (3) entries in this last batch to take command, with 12 entries total. The 2010s continue close behind with 10, grabbing one in this batch.


Recurring Directors
  • Vincente Minnelli = 2
  • Milos Forman = 2
  • John Musker & Ron Clements = 2
  • Stanley Donen = 2
  • Vincente Minnelli = 2
  • Tim Burton = 2
  • Coen Brothers = 2

Three new additions to the list, starting with the duo of John Musker/Ron Clements (The Little Mermaid and Moana), then Milos Forman (Hair and Amadeus), and finishing today with Vincente Minnelli (An American in Paris and The Band Wagon). Who of these seven will keep on racking entries? Who else will join the list?

The Little Mermaid rounds out the animation list to 10.



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#41. Pink Floyd - The Wall (1982) was my #2.

The Wall album been on my players ever since school times. I saw the movie in theatre in 1990 (I remember that) and I've seen it several more times on television or VHS since then.
I was also so happy to see the Wall Live mighty show in 2013 during the Roger Waters' three-year grand tour around the world.
Alan Parker is a cult director for me. I'm glad, after he took a place in the Neo-Noir List, one of his works is here too, though I've hoped The Wall can be in Top 20.




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My Ballot

2. Pink Floyd - The Wall (1982) [#41]
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5. Everyone Says I Love You (1996) [#73]
6.
7. Monty Python's The Meaning of Life (1983) [#99]
8.
9. Amadeus (1984) [#97]
10. Hair (1979) [#47]
11.
12. Jesus Christ Superstar (1973) [#59]
13.
14. The Muppet Movie (1979) [#45]
15.
16. Rocketman (2019) [#91]
17.
18. Oliver! (1968) [#44]
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25. The Gypsy Camp Vanishes Into the Blue (1975) [one pointer]



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An American in Paris was number 11 on my list. I almost… almost put it in my top 10, but figured I already had two of Gene Kelly’s musicals in my top 10 and to have three in there might be crowding it a bit too much at the expense of my other great picks. This despite the fact that Gene Kelly is the GOAT. One of my other Kelly picks I couldn’t bring myself to swap An American in Paris out with because it’s such an underseen and underappreciated film and I wanted to give it some chance to place on the list. The other Kelly musical that made my top 10 is almost a given to be in the top 10 musicals on any countdown. I did however, very seriously consider swapping said Kelly film (yeah, huge mystery I know) out for An American in Paris and putting the more obvious pick in my 11 spot, but didn’t. Both of the gold standard Gene Kelly musicals have things they do slightly better and not quite as well when comparing one to the other.

Two big things where I prefer An American in Paris over the unnamed Gene Kelly musical, that for the sake of not giving away a film I had in my top ten, we shall call… Croonin’ in the Precipitation are the music itself by George Gerswhin and the Gene Kelly love interest played beautifully and s’wonderfully by Leslie Caron. I thought Kelly had so much more chemistry with Leslie Caron, who was “discovered” by Kelly as a ballet dancer, not a film actress, to play opposite him than he did with Debbie Reynolds in Croonin’ in the Precipitation. As great as Reynolds is, I find her performance more polished, mechanical, and flawless than Caron’s, who as a non-actress gives a more rough around the edges and seemingly less rehearsed-feeling and as such more of a genuine and naturalistic presence on film.



As the book-wormish ingenue, Caron also really shines in her role, at first rejecting Kelly’s advances, but eventually finding herself won over by his charm and his dorky sense of humor. It’s all so sweet and beautifully done and yes, by today’s standards some would argue that it’s “problematic” but I say” to the barber’s with your beard!” as far as that criticism goes. I prefer Kelly when paired with actresses like Judy Garland, Vera-Ellen (On the Town), and Caron more than his pairings with Debbie Reynolds and Cyd Charisse who fit more of the classical standard of beauty in Hollywood actresses of the era. Also, the sequence in which Caron’s character is introduced is so well done and funny and genuinely racy, even by today’s standards let alone 1951. Apparently, that whole sequence in which she’s being described, had trouble making it past the censors.

The George Gershwin jazzy band music with writing by the great Alan Jay Lerner (who is responsible for my top one pick on this countdown) is just lightning in a bottle and all too spectacular. And it’s not just the musical numbers that are great, but also the music that plays throughout as a theme. The 17-minute ballet dream sequence, which became something of a Gene Kelly musical trademark, is one of the absolute best sequences ever captured on film in which the film’s story is encapsulated through music, dance, and storytelling with a backdrop of the brilliant set and costume design to capture some of Paris’ greatest artwork and artists including Renoir and Toulouse-Lautrec. It’s a dream sequence that plays at the perfect moment in the film and is led into by an extreme zoon-in on Kelly’s face as he stands there resigned watching the girl he loves get into the car with another man, his friend, realizing he may never see her again and really can only escape into his dreams. The “Love Is Here to Stay” number is very poetic and warm and even though it could easily have come across as silly or overly sentimental love story cliche’ it doesn’t ring that way, not at all. The “I Got Rhythm” number in the street with the street urchin children is a genuinely fun and whimsical piece and duet “S’Wonderful” is great too, especially considering unbeknownst to each other, both men singing it have fallen for the same girl.

The only real weaknesses I find in An American in Paris, and trust me, I’m nitpicking here, are the fact that it wasn’t filmed on location Paris, but rather studio lots and for some reason the “Stairway to Paradise” never really did as much for me as the rest of the film.

Now of course great films and great art hit a person on different levels and An American in Paris is no different for me in that regard. Something else I really, really appreciate is the subtext of the theme of American GI’s post-World War 2 struggling to “find their place” in a post war world. Being a musical, it certainly doesn’t get grim or overly serious in a Best Years of Our Lives type of fashion, but it’s there nonetheless as Kelly plays a struggling WW2 vet living in Paris trying his best to make a go at his passion of painting and attempting to sell his works. One of the best performances in the film belongs to Nina Foch who plays the wealthy lonely single lady who finds Kelly’s starving artist and decides to sponsor him. Like so much in the movie there’s a lot of subtext here and implication that is executed through wonderful writing and while it does directly address the issue of Kelly’s character desperately not wanting to be a “kept man” it cleverly includes without overtly showing the darker implications of that.



The last thing I should mention too is that clever and delightful opening sequence where we are introduced to Kelly’s character in an elaborate bit where we see him wake up in the morning, get dressed, and prepare himself for the day ahead. Kelly’s movements are perfect and how he interacts with objects in such a cramped space is likely something only he could pull of so well. In fact, I was listening to a film podcast on Spotify around this time last year and the late Gene Kelly’s widow, Patricia Ward-Kelly (still very much alive), was actually talking about An American in Paris and how he, even as an old man, would move around the house in that very same fashion as he did in the opening scene of An American in Paris. One thing Ward-Kelly did address in that podcast is how she doesn’t always see An American in Paris as the “dark” Gene Kelly musical as it has sometimes been labeled. I get where she was coming from, but I disagree in the sense of also looking at the film from the Nina Foch’s character’s perspective too, as well as several of the undertones I’ve stated. Now, if memory serves, and it’s been about a year since I listened to that podcast (which still may well be up on Spotify), I think… THINK mind you his wife said she actually prefers An American in Paris over Singin’... I mean, Croonin' in the Precipitation.

In any event, it is genuinely a great film AND a great musical. I voted for it in my number 11 spot, but had I known what I know now with its, to be blunt and perfectly honest, shameful placing at 41 here on the countdown, I would have swapped it out with one of the other Gene Kelly films for my number three spot instead. I figured that An American in Paris was an absolute clench for the top 25, so yeah it’s sad to see such a great film and wonderful piece of art way down on the list at number 41. Oh well. I’ve done my part. I voted and have now given my “two cents” worth, so that’s all I can do.

Grade: A+

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Postscript: Also regarding the whole thing about An American in Paris winning best picture for 1951’s films and it somehow being seen by film nerds and historians as a “lesser” of the Academy Award best picture Oscar winners… I think that’s a complete misreading and an unjustified assessment of the film. While I likely would have voted for A Place in the Sun, another great movie, An American in Paris is a sound winner and I can completely get behind it.
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Count me among those surprised to see An American in Paris come up this early. I thought it was a delightful musical with an interesting story. I think Gene Kelly and Leslie Caron were great together, and the musical numbers and dances were gorgeous. I had it at #7.


SEEN: 17/60
MY BALLOT: 6/25

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I agree on all points and of all the Gene Kelly leading lady pairings there's only one I like slightly more in a particular film, which at this point I'm sure has zero chance of making the countdown. Actually, originally I predicted maybe six or seven of my picks wouldn't make the countdown, but now I'm guessing that'll be nine or ten.

At this point, I'm really curious to see how the top 10 will look and the chronological order of films for this particular countdown, which to be fair I have invested far more time into for whatever reasons, seems so much more random and eclectic than some of the others. With An American in Paris showing up so far down the list, I'm sure there will be at least one WTF pick in the top 10. And if, God forbid, it's a Barbara Streisand musical that makes the top 10, I'm either quitting MoFo and "moving to Canada" or I might just change my avatar to Robert Smith of The Cure and completely spam this thread with The Cure songs, and get banned from MoFo in the process, to chase away Streisand... mecha or otherwise.



I thought An American in Paris was fine, but I was slightly underwhelmed with it relative to its reputation. C'est la vie.

In college I became a devoted Floyd fan: I've seen the band--sans Waters--twice and seen Waters solo several times, including a performance of The Wall in its entirety. But the movie ... I've just never liked it. Emotionally the film always feels very flat to me, whereas the album has soaring peaks and stomach-dropping descents. Ultimately I think the imagery fails to live up to the music.



After looking up all the popular musical movies online, here are my guesses for the rest of the countdown

La La Land
Singin in the Rain
Grease
The Sound of Music
West Side Story
Rocky Horror
Cabaret
Chicago
The Wizard of Oz
Mary Poppins
Beauty and the Beast
The Lion King
The Blues Brothers
Mama Mia
Hairspray
Hedwig and the Angry Itch
The Color Purple
Sing (2016)
Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (1971)
Moulin Rouge
Les Parapluies De Cherbourg
Fame
Rent
Dream Girls
The Nightmare Before Christmas
All That Jazz
Hamilton - Not eligible for the list - Replaced with The Umbrellas of Cherbourg
Les Miserables
Meet Me in St. Louis
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
Enchanted
Fiddler on the Roof
The Phantom of the Opera
Pitch Perfect
Bye Bye Birdie
The Music Man
My Fair Lady
Victor/Victoria
Pocahontas
Footloose
Rock of Ages

I had 2 other movies (A Hard Day's Night and The Umbrellas of Cherbourg) on this list but took them off since we got a movie that wasn't on this list, Pink Floyd The Wall. They could still make it though not saying they won't. I had An American in Paris on the list though.

What do you guys think?



I don’t think you should’ve deleted Umbrellas. Also, Hamilton was not eligible for the countdown.
Then I'll replace Hamilton with Umbrellas, thanks for telling me



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After looking up all the popular musical movies online, here are my guesses for the rest of the countdown



What do you guys think?
I think I prefer to be surprised, so I didn't look at your list. Obviously the biggies will make it but I'm hoping for some more surprises.



You have a few big misses but I'm not going to say what they are
yea I figured, but oh well I don't think I'll be right on all of them