The MoFo Top 100 Musicals Countdown

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The past few posts makes it seem like #3 is the cursed spot on people's ballots.
Imagine if the #3 film on the countdown somehow didn't make anyone's ballots.
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Yeah, the past few posts make me question who DID vote for all these movies to end up in the top 5



The reason to see West Side Story is the incredible contemporary dance numbers to a pretty contemporary Jazz score from Leonard Bernstein.
In that case, there's no point. Dance is even worse and, depending on the musical, the worst part of a musical. And then the music is jazz.

That said, and for reasons I'll never understand, the first time I saw WSS I liked it. Quite a bit, actually. Of course the dance was too much and the jazz, but some of the songs were really good. Then I watched it again a couple of years later and couldn't get too far into it. Another year passed and I tried again and.... No. I don't know what it was about that first time, but I've not captured it again and, tbh, have little intention of trying again. But, if I happened upon it and had nothing else to do, I would try again just because I was really caught off guard that first time by liking it.

Also agree that "America" is the best song.


What is it that leads you to conclude you have no interest in even giving West Side Story a try? You're posting in this thread so I imagine you have some moderate or mild interest in musicals at least..
I don't think you have any idea just how off base you are here. I'm sure there are quite a few people who have little to no interest in musicals (which is one of the reasons why I voted for it because those who do have been campaigning for it for years and I wanted them to get their countdown) and I think this also contributes to how you feel about the list and the comments made. This isn't a list made by or for musical lovers. This is a list made by and for movie lovers and many, (I'd venture most?) of them are neutral to musicals at best?

This is a community list and so, the community post. That includes those like yourself who genuinely love and adore this stuff and have some of these films among your best and most loved films and those of us who hate them. For whom just hearing something is a musical is usually enough for it not to be seen, before we even get to who's in it or the story. But, I'd guess, most are in between. Who don't really love musicals, but do like some and are willing to give some/most a go unless there's another reason for not watching it. This is why there's so much Disney (along with the ages of the voters) and why most of the classics are here but not necessarily where a musical lovers list would probably have them.



Well, it finally appeared and as so, I have to make the joke about The Sound Of Music and how sad that ending is..... When the Nazis don't catch that annoying, warbling family. Didn't like the film, don't like Julie Andrews, don't like the songs, I just don't the film.

Hoping for Singin In The Rain to nab the #1 spot, but childhood nostalgia seems to be very strong with this list and so that Wizard may well take the top spot and I hate that film too.

By the end 8 of my top 10 will have appeared on this list. I'm not sure if I approve of that or not.
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In that case, there's no point. Dance is even worse and, depending on the musical, the worst part of a musical. And then the music is jazz.

That said, and for reasons I'll never understand, the first time I saw WSS I liked it. Quite a bit, actually. Of course the dance was too much and the jazz, but some of the songs were really good.
Ah. I am a big fan of both Dance and Jazz. As well as Jazz Dance. And the last one may actually be because of West Side Story.



In that case, there's no point. Dance is even worse and, depending on the musical, the worst part of a musical.
My sentiments as well.

That said, and for reasons I'll never understand, the first time I saw WSS I liked it. Quite a bit, actually... Then I watched it again a couple of years later and couldn't get too far into it. Another year passed and I tried again and.... No. I don't know what it was about that first time, but I've not captured it again and, tbh, have little intention of trying again.
This sounds a lot like my experience with My Fair Lady.

This is a community list and so, the community post. That includes those like yourself who genuinely love and adore this stuff and have some of these films among your best and most loved films and those of us who hate them.


Firmly in that second category over here, despite being one of the voters and this being my 110th post in this thread. Not that Viddy will see this since I got put on ignore for rightly pointing out that he misread your post about 17 minute dance sequences.



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Originally Posted by iluv2viddyilms
What is it that leads you to conclude you have no interest in even giving West Side Story a try? You're posting in this thread so I imagine you have some moderate or mild interest in musicals at least..


I don't think you have any idea just how off base you are here. I'm sure there are quite a few people who have little to no interest in musicals (which is one of the reasons why I voted for it because those who do have been campaigning for it for years and I wanted them to get their countdown) and I think this also contributes to how you feel about the list and the comments made. This isn't a list made by or for musical lovers. This is a list made by and for movie lovers and many, (I'd venture most?) of them are neutral to musicals at best?

This is a community list and so, the community post. That includes those like yourself who genuinely love and adore this stuff and have some of these films among your best and most loved films and those of us who hate them. For whom just hearing something is a musical is usually enough for it not to be seen, before we even get to who's in it or the story. But, I'd guess, most are in between. Who don't really love musicals, but do like some and are willing to give some/most a go unless there's another reason for not watching it. This is why there's so much Disney (along with the ages of the voters) and why most of the classics are here but not necessarily where a musical lovers list would probably have them.
That's (your last couple of sentences) is what I was predicting when I saw how many Disney musicals were showing up by the time we were mid way through the list. Also I wouldn't call a clarifying question, in a discussion board of all places, off base because I was genuinely curious why you weren't interested in West Side Story since you participated in the countdown. I was curious if your lack of interest was similar to mine because initially I had no interest in a silly premise of two gangs battling it out through song and dance, but gave it a chance and somehow loved it because it worked so well.

But yeah, that makes sense that people participate in things where they are neutral or have little interest or would participate just to get the numbers up in the level of interest for a countdown. As I've stated, when looking at this list I'm only looking at it through the lens of film musicals, not stage musicals. What I mean by that is that I am perfectly confident to participate in a film musicals discussion/countdown, but wouldn't know the slightest if we were to talk stage musicals, as my interest is really primarily film.

That being said, do you like the genre of film musicals in general or would you include yourself in the category you named of those who hate them or just neutral? As for myself I don't particularly have a special affinity for musicals, but I do for great films... many of which happen to be musicals.
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The Wizard of Oz
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Victor Fleming, 1939

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Judy Garland, Frank Morgan, Ray Bolger, Bert Lahr







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Singin' in the Rain
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Gene Kelly, 1952

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Singin’ in the Rain was #10 on the MoFo Top 100 of the 1950s, #50 on the MoFo Top 100 Comedies, #52 on the original MoFo Top 100, and #64 on the Top 100 Refresh. The Wizard of Oz was #1 on the MoFo Top 100 of the 1930s and #36 on the MoFo Top 100 Refresh.
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I'm crying that these fine musicals from my ballot didn't make it.


My #2. The Pajama Game (1957)

I'm a big fan of musicals with big splashy choreographed numbers and it doesn't get any better than the legendary choreographer Bob Fosse. His unique style drives the movie and is especially prominent in the numbers Steam Heat and Hernando's Hideaway. The art direction (sets, lights, costumes) are just fantastic.

My #11. King Creole (1958)

I love the opening duet Crawfish that Elvis does with a street vendor, Kitty White. Trouble is my favorite song from the movie, Elvis opened his '68 Comeback Special with that song. Best of all, this is Elvis at the top of his game and in a noir directed by Michael Curtiz.


My #12. Guys and Dolls (1955)

A riotously colorfully musical starring Marlon Brando, Frank Sinatra and Jean Simmons. Loved the slang tone of speaking by the gangsters and gamblers. That style of speech has been emulated ever since. Loved the story and musical numbers.


My #13. Jailhouse Rock (1957)

Lots of great songs presented in what could be called an early music video style. Solid story line too. Elvis rocks this!


My #18. Holiday Inn (1942)

I love the storyline here between Fred Astaire and Bing Crosby with their love interest getting in the way. Lots of great numbers and dance.


My #24. Beyond the Sea (2004)

I knew this wouldn't make it but still I had to vote for it...Beyond The Sea, A story told in flashbacks as an older Bobby Darin whose health is failing, looks back on his early days as a singer, actor and his marriage to Sandra Dee.


My #25. Kiss Me Kate (1953)

Kiss Me Kate is based on the stage play, go figure, which in turn is based on Shakespeare's The Taming of the Shrew. Howard Keel plays a likeable actor who has a high opinion of himself. His divorced wife, Kathryn Grayson is an actress who had enough of him and is now divorced. Keel wants her back but she's about to get married. Keel has a plan to convince his ex wife to appear on stage with him in a production of, get ready, The Taming of the Shrew.



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Maybe the only prediction I got right the whole countdown comes on the last day.

One has the greatest sequence ever for a musical, the other has the best song every written for a musical. Both are delightful throughout.

Great job with the countdown Thursday



The Wizard of Oz was #24 on my ballot. I like it, but I don't love it.

The Wizard of Oz (1939) -


I hadn't seen this film since I was a kid, so I was looking forward to rewatching it for this thread. I was curious whether I had outgrown it, but fortunately, I enjoyed it quite a lot. Even though it's a family film, it's packed with all kinds of unintentionally and intentionally scary set pieces. From the tornado, Miss Gulch's transformation into the witch, the introduction to the munchkins, the living trees, the introduction to the wizard, and the climax at the witches castle, it has a whole lot to offer. If you watch the film in the right state of mind, you'd find that it's a great balance of wonder and horror. I imagine that another viewing would get me to appreciate the scary parts even more, in fact. The film is also technically outstanding. While the tornado and the switch from sepia to color in the first act are the most famous technical set pieces, the film has plenty to offer in the Land of Oz as well. Yes, most of the backdrops in the film look obviously fake and the warmth of the poppy field scene had me wishing that more of the sets looked realistic, but the various towns, cities, and wooded areas in the film are richly detailed and have a massive level of craft. There's a lot to love about this film and, while I wouldn't call it a favorite yet, it may grow on me some more in the future.
It's been too long since I've seen Singin' in the Rain, so it didn't make my ballot. I may revisit it someday though.

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