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WARNING: "The problem with the Multiverse" spoilers below
I didn't like the movie as much the second time. Deadpool and Wolverine is perhaps the biggest example of the problem with these multiverse movies: Nobody dies. There are no true consequences. And the "anchor being" concept doesn't make any sense to me. Cassandra Nova is indestructible, able to heal every wound she sustains, even multiple bullet wounds to the chest after having her powers stopped for about 60 seconds when she's wearing Juggernaut's helmet. Logan is supposed to be dead, but they bring him back through the magic of variants. Cassandra said she killed Dr. Strange ("I wore his skin around") but you can bet that was just a variant and the Dr. Strange we know is still alive. I wouldn't be surprised if we see Johnny Storm (the Human Torch) again in Secret Wars, despite the fact that Cassandra removed his skin.
It was fun at the end of Avengers Endgame, seeing our heroes restored to life, but they've opened pandora's box and it becomes less meaningful with each successive resurrection.
Now when someone dies, we don't feel sad or moved, because in the backs of our minds we know that we'll probably see another incarnation of them in a future movie. I hope Marvel puts away the Multiverse in the next phase.
It was fun at the end of Avengers Endgame, seeing our heroes restored to life, but they've opened pandora's box and it becomes less meaningful with each successive resurrection.
Now when someone dies, we don't feel sad or moved, because in the backs of our minds we know that we'll probably see another incarnation of them in a future movie. I hope Marvel puts away the Multiverse in the next phase.
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WARNING: "The problem with the Multiverse" spoilers below
I didn't like the movie as much the second time. Deadpool and Wolverine is perhaps the biggest example of the problem with these multiverse movies: Nobody dies. There are no true consequences. And the "anchor being" concept doesn't make any sense to me. Cassandra Nova is indestructible, able to heal every wound she sustains, even multiple bullet wounds to the chest after having her powers stopped for about 60 seconds when she's wearing Juggernaut's helmet. Logan is supposed to be dead, but they bring him back through the magic of variants. Cassandra said she killed Dr. Strange ("I wore his skin around") but you can bet that was just a variant and the Dr. Strange we know is still alive. I wouldn't be surprised if we see Johnny Storm (the Human Torch) again in Secret Wars, despite the fact that Cassandra removed his skin.
It was fun at the end of Avengers Endgame, seeing our heroes restored to life, but they've opened pandora's box and it becomes less meaningful with each successive resurrection.
Now when someone dies, we don't feel sad or moved, because in the backs of our minds we know that we'll probably see another incarnation of them in a future movie. I hope Marvel puts away the Multiverse in the next phase.
It was fun at the end of Avengers Endgame, seeing our heroes restored to life, but they've opened pandora's box and it becomes less meaningful with each successive resurrection.
Now when someone dies, we don't feel sad or moved, because in the backs of our minds we know that we'll probably see another incarnation of them in a future movie. I hope Marvel puts away the Multiverse in the next phase.
In other words, movies based on comic books are... just like comic books?
Not being a comic book reader myself (not since the mid-80s, I was 12), I can't speak for that group, but superhero movie fatigue is setting-in among movie audiences, and I think part of this is the new, flippant tendency towards character deaths.
WARNING: "reboots vs. resurrections" spoilers below
Rebooting a character is one thing, and there are examples of that working well (Spider-Man, the Hulk, Colossus), but to kill off a character, have us shed a tear for them, mourn them, only to bring them back later is counter to good storytelling. Their death is cheapened. The MCU finally brought in Professor X and Mr. Fantastic in Dr. Strange and the Multiverse of Madness, and then they were easily killed off by the Scarlet Witch within a few minutes. Sure, it makes the main antagonist (Scarlet Witch) look powerful, but it also makes those hero favourites look cheap and expendable.
...Villains in the MCU have the opposite problem: Too many main villains are being killed off (Thanos, Ultron, Hela, Jotun, Surtur, the Mandarin, etc.). There needs to be a balance between keeping a good character around and making their exit meaningful.
... Am I making sense here?
...Villains in the MCU have the opposite problem: Too many main villains are being killed off (Thanos, Ultron, Hela, Jotun, Surtur, the Mandarin, etc.). There needs to be a balance between keeping a good character around and making their exit meaningful.
... Am I making sense here?
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Yep, pretty much.
Not being a comic book reader myself (not since the mid-80s, I was 12), I can't speak for that group, but superhero movie fatigue is setting-in among movie audiences, and I think part of this is the new, flippant tendency towards character deaths.
Not being a comic book reader myself (not since the mid-80s, I was 12), I can't speak for that group, but superhero movie fatigue is setting-in among movie audiences, and I think part of this is the new, flippant tendency towards character deaths.
WARNING: "reboots vs. resurrections" spoilers below
Rebooting a character is one thing, and there are examples of that working well (Spider-Man, the Hulk, Colossus), but to kill off a character, have us shed a tear for them, mourn them, only to bring them back later is counter to good storytelling. Their death is cheapened. The MCU finally brought in Professor X and Mr. Fantastic in Dr. Strange and the Multiverse of Madness, and then they were easily killed off by the Scarlet Witch within a few minutes. Sure, it makes the main antagonist (Scarlet Witch) look powerful, but it also makes those hero favourites look cheap and expendable.
...Villains in the MCU have the opposite problem: Too many main villains are being killed off (Thanos, Ultron, Hela, Jotun, Surtur, the Mandarin, etc.). There needs to be a balance between keeping a good character around and making their exit meaningful.
... Am I making sense here?
...Villains in the MCU have the opposite problem: Too many main villains are being killed off (Thanos, Ultron, Hela, Jotun, Surtur, the Mandarin, etc.). There needs to be a balance between keeping a good character around and making their exit meaningful.
... Am I making sense here?
I think there are actually two different things going on here. One is that people in general are more picky about which movies to watch in the theater. Not wanting to watch something in the theater isn't the same as not wanting to watch it at all. They will sometimes catch it once it begins streaming, so we don't really know how much interest there is in a movie across all of the distribution process.
But the fact that the movie this thread is about is the highest-grossing R-rated movie of all time (and the 2nd highest-grossing movie of the year, regardless of rating) seems to indicate there is still quite a bit of interest in at least some of the movies in this genre.
Next year there will be at least 4 major comic-book movies (barring any schedule changes) and then we'll see how much interest there is still (or not).
Personally, I've cut back on my comic book movies. Pre-pandemic, if there was a new comic book movie, I was pretty much guaranteed to fork out my money for it. In 2024, there were: Madam Web, Venom Last Dance, Deadpool & Wolverine, and Kraven the Hunter. I only went to see Deadpool & Wolverine, and even that one I was disappointed in. The quality is just not there anymore.
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