The MoFo Top 100 Musicals Countdown

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#25 - Once (2007)
Never heard movie until this summer, I noticed the title in some discussions and lists so I saw it for the countdown. It is generally not bad but the filmmakers applied too much romantic and heroic touch to the otherwise quite controversial character next to the main guy. No vote from me.

#24 - Fiddler On the Roof (1971)
For many years, I've heard here and there mentioning this film and the lead actor Topol. I've always wondered who is this guy.
So, I saw this movie specially for the countdown too. Yes, it is well done but obviously serves a political commission, meaning it is not a cinema, that's why I kicked it out of my ballot.

#21 - Chicago (2002)
Always wondered why is this film so popular in this forum. Never heard serious cinema devoted people to care about it so I've never considered to watch it.
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Prediction for top 20

La La Land
Singin in the Rain
Grease
The Sound of Music
West Side Story
Rocky Horror
Cabaret
The Wizard of Oz
Mary Poppins
Beauty and the Beast
The Lion King
The Blues Brothers
The Nightmare Before Christmas
Hedwig and the Angry Inch
All That Jazz
The Umbrellas of Cherbourg
Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (1971)
My Fair Lady
Dancer in the Dark
Footloose - Probably will be wrong on this one but hey it's worth a shot I guess
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Aladdin is a servicable musical kid's film... again, kid's film, but it's one that didn't really enrapture me the way Beauty and the Beast did, which was Disney's previous big release. Even as a kid, I knew that Aladdin was a huge step down from the masterpiece of Beauty and the Beast. The music wasn't as memorable nor lyrics as clever and "A Friend Like Me" doesn't really fit well or stand out and "A Whole New World," while it did get a ton of radio play, it was a sign of things to come with the pop-sentimentality that was on the horizon with The Lion King and Pocahontas. Aladdin as a character in the Disney version is basically a paint by numbers bore, Jasmine is an unlikable and undynamic brat - basically they were not only just archetypes but felt like caricatures of archetypes.

My biggest issue with Aladdin is Robins Williams as the Genie. I loved Robin Williams in Mrs. Doubtfire which came out in that time frame and even though it got lambasted by critics and audiences alike, Hook was just down right fun and unique and clever and plain different and Williams was very constrained in the role.

But on the whole, even today watching his stuff as an adult, Williams as an actor - he just annoys me and I've never found him particularly funny or witty. He has some solid films... the previously mentioned ones in addition to The World According to Garp, One Hour Photo, and Insomnia, but Williams as the Genie in Aladdin was Robin Williams taking his annoying obnoxious and "hey look at me everyone, look at me!" personality to number 11 and as an adult I find it particularly off putting, but even at the age of 11 or 12 I knew something was off and just meh about it.

Gilbert Gottfried as the Parrot Iago didn't do a lot for me either, but unlike Robin Williams he is an actor who I've never been averse to because there's almost something inherently slimy and dislikable about him that plays off as genuine, where Williams always seemed to be forcing stuff and trying too hard.

Jafar is by far the most interesting character in Aladdin, and like I said it's watchable enough, but compared to The Little Mermaid, The Rescuers Down Under (EXTREMELY underrated and undervalued), and Beauty and the Beast... Aladdin is just a monumental step down and Disney cashing in on the renaissance with more standard pop culture "radio friendly" and less artistic fair.


Chicago is a good movie, and one I saw in the theaters, and it's a movie at the time I think I gave an "A-" to in a review, but it's not particularly memorable and while it does have some solid musical numbers, it's not a film that did much for me on an emotional, intellectual, or imaginative level. It's just a very solid, well done, well executed, and well produced film, but nothing about it stands out as remarkable or distinguished.

So these are two films that remain popular over two decades now after their release, but are kind of like cotton candy to me. I don't ever think about either of these films, nor would it bother me at all if I never see either of them again in my life, which honestly, I probably won't.
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I know Chicago's super popular, haven't seen it yet.

Aladdin has it's appeal and some memorable songs too, but arguably more than any other movie from the Disney Renaissance, it just feels terminally Disney.

I attribute that largely to Robin Williams as Genie. I like Robin Williams, but Genie, unlike many of the big name actors who play the 1-2 comic relief characters in these movies is just SO over-the-top that I feel like it seriously impacts the tone of the movie. It's one thing for Eddie Murphy's Mushu to be sassy, or Danny DeVito's Phil to be a huge curmudgeon just because those personalities bring some contrast and/or levity to the events... but Genie is just an ultra-powerful walking standup and slapstick machine in every scene he's in and he's absolutely central to the plot of the story.

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Footloose - Probably will be wrong on this one but hey it's worth a shot I guess
Judging so far by the pop culture and big fan base favorites that have showed up on this list, I think you might be right that this could be a film that might make it simply because so many people have seen it. For example for anyone over the age of 30 or 35, I think cable TV, whether it was USA, TNT, or TBS played Footloose at least once a week. It was just always on TV throughout the entire 90's and into the 2000's and it wouldn't surprise me if it shows up on the countdown just because a lot of people like feel good pop culture sentiment and they remembered that... "Oh yeah, Footloose exists, it has catchy songs, and I really liked it!"

The trend that I'm picking up on this list is that a lot of people have likely seen a handful of the classics such as The Wizard of Oz, Singin' in the Rain, and maybe a Fred Astaire film or two, but not much else.

A lot of people have seen some of the big arthouse or indie musicals such as The Commitments, Dancer in the Dark, and Umbrellas of Cherbourg, but not much else.

A lot of people have also seen some of the 1970s pop art/pop rock musicals such as Jesus Christ Superstar, The Rocky Horror Picture Show, and Little Shop of Horrors, but not much else.

Then everyone... we ALL have seen a million and one Disney musicals and many of those animated classics which are going to weight very heavily on this list simply because of the numbers game. Nearly everyone is going to have Aladdin on their list, or an Unthawed, or a Beauty and the Beast or The Lion King, etc, etc. The only real question is where do people place these films. Will they be at number five or down at number 23. But I think the frequency so far has been high and unfortunately with sooooo many animated films, its going to lead to a lot of snubs, particularly since musicals are a genre, where there's definitely a canon, but people's tastes are so much more eclectic and diverse AND I have a suspicion that a lot of people "ran out" of musicals to put on their list and needed "filler" as opposed to having perhaps too many options and then having to cut and weed down options.

I had about forty or fifty musicals on my list and then discovered a few new films for this countdown and then tried to whittle it down from there. At this point I can safely say that in my top 10, seven will show up. One might and there's ZERO chance two will show up. Unfortunately the one that might not show up is my number one pick and it is truly the greatest musical of all time. I'm hoping it will make the top 10 at least, but we'll see.

My top pick is a film that could find itself not on the list at all, as it could be in that weird "no-man's" place - it's perhaps too traditional or even mainstream in terms of structure, song style, editing, etc to find itself on the top of a list of film aficionados who prefer musicals that subvert the genre or truly do risky and daring things (at least on overly obvious levels) like Dancer in the Dark or The Umbrellas of Cherbourg. Nor does it necessarily have "the cool kids factor" or surface level risque of a film like La La Land, Chicago, or The Rocky Horror Picture Show. However my number one pick also wouldn't likely be able to hold the attention of those viewers who would fill a list of top 25 with at least eight Disney films either. Nor is it likely a canonical classic that a lot of people have found to be mandatory such as a Wizard of Oz or Singin' in the Rain, even though by name I'm sure and equal amount of people have heard the title even if they couldn't name a single thing about it. And finally for those who like traditional big name Hollywood musicals such as The Sound of Music, West Side Story, and Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, my number one pick demands a lot more thought, unpacking, and questioning than the typical classic Hollywood musical and it doesn't really follow audiences expectations and conventions of theme, story, and character of most Hollywood musicals. Again, it truly is one of a kind and a complete stroke of mad genius that it exists and the writing of it, the lyrics, etc are just on an entirely different level, a level of great literature and pure art and commentary on life. It's a truly transcendent and amazing musical and film and it's likely a miracle that it's as popular in certain circles and a household name, even if people haven't watched it. It's also a musical that is still performed live on stages across the USA today, although sadly many times it's in an edited and revised form to fit modern sensibilities.

IF my number one, while it might not make the top 10, but if it fails to make this list all together, then I have ZERO use for this list and consider the MoFo Top 100 Musicals to be a disaster and a sham... sham I says!! likely because, again, with sooooooooo many animated films showing up and weighing so heavily on this list, there's a lot of great stuff that's neglected and snubbed. I'd say there's a 60/40 chance that my number one WILL make the list though and the sun will rise tomorrow.



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Like does anyone think I've watched Aladdin Disney is just not my thing. I'm not a fan of Robin Williams either.
Chicago...yeah I seen it, I liked it, but didn't vote for it.



Aladdin came out just barely when I was young enough I'd still watch it, I guess. Would not watch again.

Chicago won Best Picture roughly in the era of Gladiator and A Beautiful Mind, which is to say it was in the era where I was at that age when I realized I shouldn't take the Oscars seriously (Yes, I did see it. Didn't think much of it as a movie.)

Actually, I just looked, it was those three in consecutive years. Yeah. I guess they should be given credit for getting me to stop paying attention to those awards.



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Aladdin is a servicable musical kid's film... again, kid's film, but it's one that didn't really enrapture me the way Beauty and the Beast did, which was Disney's previous big release. Even as a kid, I knew that Aladdin was a huge step down from the masterpiece of Beauty and the Beast. The music wasn't as memorable nor lyrics as clever and "A Friend Like Me" doesn't really fit well or stand out and "A Whole New World," while it did get a ton of radio play, it was a sign of things to come with the pop-sentimentality that was on the horizon with The Lion King and Pocahontas. Aladdin as a character in the Disney version is basically a paint by numbers bore, Jasmine is an unlikable and undynamic brat - basically they were not only just archetypes but felt like caricatures of archetypes.

My biggest issue with Aladdin is Robins Williams as the Genie. I loved Robin Williams in Mrs. Doubtfire which came out in that time frame and even though it got lambasted by critics and audiences alike, Hook was just down right fun and unique and clever and plain different and Williams was very constrained in the role.

But on the whole, even today watching his stuff as an adult, Williams as an actor - he just annoys me and I've never found him particularly funny or witty. He has some solid films... the previously mentioned ones in addition to The World According to Garp, One Hour Photo, and Insomnia, but Williams as the Genie in Aladdin was Robin Williams taking his annoying obnoxious and "hey look at me everyone, look at me!" personality to number 11 and as an adult I find it particularly off putting, but even at the age of 11 or 12 I knew something was off and just meh about it.

Gilbert Gottfried as the Parrot Iago didn't do a lot for me either, but unlike Robin Williams he is an actor who I've never been averse to because there's almost something inherently slimy and dislikable about him that plays off as genuine, where Williams always seemed to be forcing stuff and trying too hard.

Jafar is by far the most interesting character in Aladdin, and like I said it's watchable enough, but compared to The Little Mermaid, The Rescuers Down Under (EXTREMELY underrated and undervalued), and Beauty and the Beast... Aladdin is just a monumental step down and Disney cashing in on the renaissance with more standard pop culture "radio friendly" and less artistic fair.


Chicago is a good movie, and one I saw in the theaters, and it's a movie at the time I think I gave an "A-" to in a review, but it's not particularly memorable and while it does have some solid musical numbers, it's not a film that did much for me on an emotional, intellectual, or imaginative level. It's just a very solid, well done, well executed, and well produced film, but nothing about it stands out as remarkable or distinguished.

So these are two films that remain popular over two decades now after their release, but are kind of like cotton candy to me. I don't ever think about either of these films, nor would it bother me at all if I never see either of them again in my life, which honestly, I probably won't.
I have more or less the same feelings as you on Aladdin.



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While on the topic of predictions, me wonders if The Red Shoes will make this list...

I love the film. Never occurred to me to consider it for my list because I was using a pretty classical definition of Musical but that's My Rules For Me not The Rules.



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I’m disappointed Yankee Doddle Dandy didn’t finish in the top ten…no….top five!

For shame! For shame, people!

It was my #1.
The rest of my ballot so far:

2.
3.
4. Aladdin (1992)
5.
6. Once (2007)
7. The Wizard of Oz (1939)
8.
9.
10. Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street (2007)
11.
12. Chicago (2002)
13.
14.
15.



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I've seen Fiddler On the Roof numerous times over the years. It has some of the best songs of any musical, but it's a bit longer than I'd like. But I couldn't imagine not including it on my list. It placed lower than I'd like at #24 on my list, but it still made my list.


I'm not a fan of The Beatles music, but I've seen a few of their movies over the years because Hubby likes them. I may have seen A Hard Day's Night, but I'm not sure if it's one of their movies that I've seen. Just based on their music, it wouldn't have made my list anyway.


Aladdin is another animated musical that I wanted to include on my list, but I just couldn't find room for it. There are so many great animated musicals that deserved a spot on my list that I wish we could have done a separate countdown just for the animated musicals.


Chicago is a great movie with some great songs, but it didn't make my list. I'm glad to see that it made the countdown.


My list so far:
2. The Music Man (1962)
5. Oklahoma! (1955)
9. 1776 (1972)
12. The Greatest Showman (2017)
15. Les Misérables (2012)
16. Oliver! (1968)
17. Anastasia (1997)
18. Yankee Doodle Dandy (1942)
24. Fiddler on the Roof (1971)
25. Frozen (2013)
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22. Aladdin (1992) - It feels a little redundant to keep saying over and over that I haven't seen many Disney films, but I should have figured that quite a few of them would come tumbling out during this countdown. This is another one that I've never had an opportunity to see.

21. Chicago (2002) - I still remember when Chicago came out - it looked pretty dazzling, and when I went to see it I was dazzled just as much as I thought I might be when I saw trailers and such. I'd never had any exposure at all to the 1975 stage musical, so all of the songs and the entire storyline was new to me, and the music hit me in such a way I immediately went out and bought the soundtrack album. I've seen it quite a few times and although I've just about had my fill of it, I have to give it credit for remaining so entertaining for such a long time. Renée Zellweger, Catherine Zeta-Jones, Richard Gere, Queen Latifah and John C. Reilly are all fabulous in it, and the choreography, production design, make-up, costumes and art direction all combine in a wonderfully flashy, sequined pazazz which makes sense in regards to this being all about the razzle-dazzle related to the wicked relationship between justice and the media. Had to be on my ballot in the end - I had it at #10.

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Seen : 51/80
I'd never even heard of : 11/80
Movies that had been on my radar, but I haven't seen yet : 18/80
Films from my list : 13

#21 - My #10 - Chicago (2002)
#23 - My #15 - A Hard Day's Night (1964)
#24 - My #11 - Fiddler on the Roof (1971)
#28 - My #7 - Labyrinth (1986)
#37 - My #1 - Phantom of the Paradise (1974)
#41 - My #6 - Pink Floyd - The Wall (1982)
#44 - My #13 - Oliver! (1968)
#47 - My #14 - Hair (1979)
#59 - My #5 - Jesus Christ Superstar (1973)
#60 - My #23 - Annie (1982)
#72 - My #22 - Yellow Submarine (1968)
#92 - My #8 - Tommy (1975)
One-pointer - My #25 - Shock Treatment (1981)
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