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...Looking at this forum, it seems like the majority of members who love TBB [The Blues Brothers] are older and probably saw it and loved it when it came out. It also seems like most members who don't love it did not. This is something I've noticed for many years. I saw it several times at the cinema and I've never seen it as popular as it was then. That is part of what is shaping my opinion on the popularity of TBB...
Your post is what I experienced with The Blues Brothers. I was in high school when the movie came out and the kids were really excited about it, I remember people talking about it and wanting to see it. I seen it at the cinema first run and thought it was fun. Then I caught it when it started to play on cable.

The 'cult' of John Belushi and his passing had nothing to do with my love of TBB as I already liked the film before he died...and I was never a big fan of Belushi anyway. I was much more of a fan of Dan Aykroyd. When Belushi died I was like, bummer...but he was a fool for doing hard drugs. I've not really liked any other movies with Belushi and never really liked his characters, not even on SNL that much. So his death didn't make TBB a cult film for me, as I already liked it. What won me over as an adult was the R&B performers, the fantastic stunts and a crazy off the cuff story with colorful, roguish but likeable characters.



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Like several of Von Trier's films, I have an instant visceral reaction when I recall Dancer in the Dark. I have seen the film twice, and that may be my limit. My wife has a deep-seeded hatred for Von Trier after I hit her with two Von Trier films in a two week period: I screened Dancer in the Dark and Melancholia for her. She also hates Bjork now, and I get the stink eye whenever I put Post of Homogenic on.

Dancer in the Dark is on of the films that leaves a scar on your soul for the rest of your life. Von Trier is a sadistic son of a bitch, and this film represents his most brutal attack on his viewers.
Von Trier's films are certainly not very accessible to the general population who typically wants escapism, something on in the background, or just watches movies casually and just occasionally.
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I think a lot of this is unnecessary BS that I can't be bothered to respond to...

... There is nothing you can say to change that, and to try to do so is an exercise in futility. I thought I was being gracious when I said I understood your opinion, now you can be equally as gracious and respect mine.
Dude, lol, for the third time, I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion, I'm respecting your opinion. I'm not taking away from anyone's love of the film or challenging anyone's reasons and so forth. But yes, the death effect does exist on a 10,000 foot macro level in regards to the film's legacy. However, what I won't respect is mischaracterizing, misrepresenting what I wrote or straw manning it, but it's a free country as they say. I casually mentioned the death effect in regards to The Blues Brothers and its lasting legacy in my initial take/semi-review of the film, and my gawd! In comes the swarm! You'd think I had stepped on a landmine or committed a sacrilegious act. Thank you for sharing your feelings and please forgive me for mentioning the death effect and my philosophical belief of objectivism as opposed to relativism. And also thank you for loving The Blues Brothers and I believe you and everyone else when they say they love The Blues Brothers. I also think it's a film worthy of being loved and I'm glad people love The Blues Brothers and many people who love The Blues Brothers have many awesome, amazing, and valid reasons for doing so outside of the context of John Belushi's all too tragic and early passing.

There... maybe... I hope? Please?

So, ANYWAY (a second time now), what do you think of Dancer in the Dark? It was my number six and I think it's brilliant.





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Little Shop of Horrors
Director

Frank Oz, 1986

Starring

Rick Moranis, Ellen Greene, Vincent Gardenia, Levi Stubbs







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All That Jazz
Director

Bob Fosse, 1979

Starring

Roy Scheider, Ann Reinking, Leland Palmer, Jessica Lange





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Von Trier's films are certainly not very accessible to the general population who typically wants escapism, something on in the background, or just watches movies casually and just occasionally.
While I wouldn't say my wife fits into that category, she is certainly a more casual viewer than someone like myself. She watches a lot of film, and while some of her favorites include films like Arrival, Taxi Driver, and A Clockwork Orange (!!!), she dislikes films that just hammer the shit out of you with brutal events. I am really not a Von Trier fan, but I respect his work for what it is.
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All That Jazz placed at #1 on no fewer than 5 separate ballots. Little Shop didn't get any first place votes but was on 18 different ballots, the most so far.



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Your post is what I experienced with The Blues Brothers. I was in high school when the movie came out and the kids were really excited about it, I remember people talking about it and wanting to see it. I seen it at the cinema first run and thought it was fun. Then I caught it when it started to play on cable.

The 'cult' of John Belushi and his passing had nothing to do with my love of TBB as I already liked the film before he died...and I was never a big fan of Belushi anyway. I was much more of a fan of Dan Aykroyd. When Belushi died I was like, bummer...but he was a fool for doing hard drugs. I've not really liked any other movies with Belushi and never really liked his characters, not even on SNL that much. So his death didn't make TBB a cult film for me, as I already liked it. What won me over as an adult was the R&B performers, the fantastic stunts and a crazy off the cuff story with colorful, roguish but likeable characters.
I think you're right and to be fair, Cricket too in regards to age and generation thing. I'm too young to remember when John Belushi was on SNL... he died the year I was born in 1982. I've seen some of his skits on SNL reruns and you can youtube stuff too. His stuff never struck a chord with me or hit. I've seen Animal House, The Blues Brothers, and even 1941 (although it's been years since I've seen that), and I've never really "got" the humor or it just never had an appeal to me. I did grow up watching Chris Farley and he's a guy who I absolutely loved in sketches and as an SNL player, but for some reason he just didn't translate well into film... for my money anyway. I felt the same way about Adam Sandler... at least until I saw Punch Drunk Love and more recently Uncut Gems, but that's a different story.

I don't dislike the film... AT ALL, it's just not a film that transcends into greatness nor is it a film which I find to be a great work of comedy or art. But I will 100-percent agree on some of the stunts, the silliness of it, etc. And as I mentioned in my initial write-up I do absolutely love the on-location filming and the Chicago and Midwest setting and flavor of the film. Of course, and correct me if I'm wrong, weren't John Belushi and Dan Ackroyd also part of that Second City comedy crew, who like Bill Murray, went to SNL and then translated well into film?

Oddly enough, as a side note, I far FAR prefer James Belushi on film to John and growing up one of my favorite films... and a film I still reference from time to time today, is a John Hughes film which was panned, on the whole, by both critics and audiences, and that is Curly Sue.



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Yeah! Another from my ballot. All That Jazz was my #19. Normally I'd post my own thoughts but this time I'm posting Gideon's excellent review of All That Jazz as he said so much more than I ever could and knows a lot more about it too:

1979's All that Jazz is definitely one of my favorite films, a permanent part of my video collection and a film I can watch over and over again without tiring of it.

This dark, twisted, self-indulgent, musical version of Fellini's 8 1/2 seems to be Fosse's exploration of his own personal demons as he lays his life out there for all to see in a not too flattering light as a career-driven, hard drinking, smoking, womanizing director/choreographer who is only alive when he's on a Broadway stage creating dances or behind a camera lens but is clueless on how to deal with regular life and the little imperfections that most regular folks are able to cope with and accept.

Roy Scheider delivers a brilliant performance as the Fosse alter-ego Joe Gideon, who is trying to stage a new Broadway musical and put the finishing touches on a movie he directed and the stress of all this work puts him in the hospital after a heart attack. This story was based on the period in Fosse's career when he was beginning to mount the musical Chicago for Gwen Verdon and was still editing his 1974 film Lenny with Dustin Hoffman and had a heart attack shortly afterwards.

This film sucks you in from the beginning with shots of dancers warming up onstage as the opening bars of George Benson's "On Broadway" begin to fill the audio. Soon the camera pulls back to reveal hundreds of dancers onstage as Gideon weeds out the dancers he wants to cast in "NY to LA", the fictionalized version of Chicago. This number is just brilliant and is a wonderful introduction into the world of NY theater auditions for the uninitiated. Fosse, is, more than anything, a choreographer, and his dance direction in this film is nothing short of astonishing. I can watch the "Take Off With Us/Air-Rotica" scene over and over again and never tire of it. I also enjoyed when Ann Reinking (as Joe's girlfriend, basically playing herself) and Erzsebet Foldi (playing Joe's daughter, Michelle (Nicole))do a dance for Joe to Peter Allen's "Everything Old is New Again" in his living room. Joe's fantasy production numbers after he enters the hospital are also dazzling, especially long-legged Reinking's rendition of "You Better Change your Ways".

There are also small quiet moments in the film that are equally effective, in particular a lovely scene in a dance studio with Joe and his daughter where she tries to talk him into getting married and giving her a little brother. This is not a side of Gideon we see much of (Fosse either) and it is a lovely moment. Jessica Lange's ethereal quality was used to great advantage in her small but showy role as Joe's Angelique. Leland Palmer (who starred in Fosse's Pippin on Broadway) registers as Audrey Paris, Joe's ex-wife and Michelle's mother, a fictionalized Gwen Verdon. Her scene with Scheider in the dance studio where she calls him on his constant infidelity is a gem.

Cliff Gorman scores as Davis Newman, the star of Joe's film, THE STAND UP (this film's version of Lenny), who is seen visiting Gideon in the hospital and psychoanalyzing him at the same time.

The "Bye Bye Love" finale is a little over the top and WAY too long but I like the end of it when he says goodbye to everyone before his death (especially loved the looks exchanged with John Lithgow and his hug with daughter Michelle). All in all, All that Jazzis a must for Fosse-ites and fans of musical theater..whether it's stage or screen. Not as good as Cabaret, but still a unique movie experience to be savored.



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OK. I really REALLY need to find and watch All That Jazz, I just have never seen it. I do love two other Bob Fosse films, so I imagine I'd like All That Jazz as well. I think Bob Fosse is hit or miss for a lot of people, but I absolutely love his stuff and style.

Oh and yeah, speaking of SNL... I remember the ridiculous and silly stupid Christina Applegate Bob Fosse skit, which actually holds some truth:




Fun facts; The Blues Brothers was released November 13, 1980 in my country. And was revealed on this countdown on Nov 13 2024. It was a big hit and instant classic for many viewers almost two years before Belushi died March 5th 1982.




The Blues Brothers is not only one of my favorite musicals but one of my favorite films, all time/all genres. A no brainer for my ballot at #3. Had Aladdin at #21. Little Shop of Horrors was close to making my ballot, good to see it didn't need my points.

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BALLOT 8/25



25. Anastasia (1997)
21. Aladdin (1992)
19. Purple Rain (1984)
17. Moana (2016)
12. The Jungle Book (1967)
09. That Thing You Do! (1996)
04. Labyrinth (1986)
03. The Blues Brothers (1980)



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The first time I watched All That Jazz I was unsure of what to make of it. It's a very unique movie going in different directions all quite theatrically staged as one would expect from a Bob Fosse story. The second time I really liked it. On my third watch, which was right before I sent in my ballot for the countdown, I was utterly impressed with it.





All That Jazz was #96 on the MoFo Top 100 of the 1970s.
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Well now Little Shop of Horrors was not on my prediction list, does this mean Footloose is gone since I had it on prediction list?? or could it be a movie from the other predictions list, this is going be interesting.

I got it right with All That Jazz though.
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Little Shoip didn't make my list, but I watched it recently. Excellent parody of b-movie logic with some excellent animatronics.


All That Jazz was my number 1. It currently stands as my #13 movie of all time, but when I first saw it the movie broke top ten. This is what I wrote on the list: "Fosse brings together everything he knows about writing and directing in this wild, abysmally deep and delightfully postmodern musical about art, struggles, the self-conscious and life and death. This is an even more complete version of an already perfect film: 8 1/2."



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There were no "sketches" with Aykroyd & Belushi as The Blues Brothers. They appeared several times on "SNL" as a musical act, just like any other band.

I love both of their albums (there are four, total, if you count the Original Motion Picture Soundtrack and a "Best-of" compilation). The original release, Briefcase Full of Blues, reached number one on the Billboard Album chart and to date has sold well over three-million copies (I am responsible for more than one of those purchases). Their cover of Sam & Dave's "Soul Man" hit #14 on the Hot 100 - the original hit #2 in 1967 (co-written by Isaac Hayes). Without the phenomenal success of the band as a musical act, likely Universal never would have developed a feature film for the characters. Frankly the continued success of the concept as a commercial entity is due almost entirely to the fact that the music aspect of it was always taken seriously, never done as a spoof or goof. There would not be any House of Blues establishments anywhere in the world had it not always been primarily about the love of and respect for Soul, Blues, and Rhythm & Blues music.



But to each their own.
Yeah, I considered those musical numbers as sketches because they played them straight and in character. That is what I was referring to.
I love the soundtrack but Briefcase Full Of Blues just didn't work for me. The band is great but neither of them are legitimately good soul singers. I know how much Aykroyd loved Blues and Soul music but I even saw him perform live twice and I never found him credible, more a novelty act. Though I do enjoy his take on "Rubber Biscuit".
That's just my .02.




Frank Oz's adaptation of Little Shop of Horrors was on my ballot. I had it in the twenty-second spot, accounting for only four of its 196 points. Oz's film was taken from a clever Off-Broadway hit by Alan Menken & Howard Ashman (who were about to save Disney with the songs for The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, and Aladdin) that of course is itself an adaptation, of a super low-rent early Roger Corman pic that in addition to spawning this gloriously fun Musical is probably best-known for one of Jack Nicholson's earliest supporting roles. The early 1960s setting allowed for some wonderful pastiches from that time period, including a Motown girl group serving as a Greek Chorus, motorcycle movies, and drive-in creature features. Rick Moranis gets his best starring role ever as the lovelorn Seymour who happens upon a weeeeeeeeeeee-eird plant that turns out to be a murderous, talking, mean, green mutha' from outer space. It's one of those where you either instantly buy into the tone of it or you bail real quick. I find it to be devilishly delightful. An all-star comedy cast wanders through, including John Candy, Bill Murray, Christopher Guest, and Jim Belushi as well as Steve Martin as Seymour's sadistic rival for the affection of Ellen Greene's Audrey (I, not II), who originated the role in the original stage production. Darkly comic fun, I had to make room for it on my list.

That is now fourteen of my picks.

HOLDEN’S BALLOT
3. Pennies from Heaven (#56)
4. Dancer in the Dark (#20)
5. A Hard Day’s Night (#23)
6. The Blues Brothers (#19)
7. That Thing You Do! (#31)
11. This is Spın̈al Tap (#55)
13. A Star is Born (#43)
14. Hair (#47)
15. Sing Street (#40)
17. Amadeus (#97)
18. Once (#25)
21. Gentlemen Prefer Blondes (#69)
22. Little Shop of Horrors (#18)
25. Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story (#74)




Dude, lol, for the third time, I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion, I'm respecting your opinion. I'm not taking away from anyone's love of the film or challenging anyone's reasons and so forth. But yes, the death effect does exist on a 10,000 foot macro level in regards to the film's legacy. However, what I won't respect is mischaracterizing, misrepresenting what I wrote or straw manning it, but it's a free country as they say. I casually mentioned the death effect in regards to The Blues Brothers and its lasting legacy in my initial take/semi-review of the film, and my gawd! In comes the swarm! You'd think I had stepped on a landmine or committed a sacrilegious act. Thank you for sharing your feelings and please forgive me for mentioning the death effect and my philosophical belief of objectivism as opposed to relativism. And also thank you for loving The Blues Brothers and I believe you and everyone else when they say they love The Blues Brothers. I also think it's a film worthy of being loved and I'm glad people love The Blues Brothers and many people who love The Blues Brothers have many awesome, amazing, and valid reasons for doing so outside of the context of John Belushi's all too tragic and early passing.

There... maybe... I hope? Please?

So, ANYWAY (a second time now), what do you think of Dancer in the Dark? It was my number six and I think it's brilliant.
When you tell me the opposite of my opinion is a fact, that's not respecting my opinion.

I liked Dancer in the Dark and voted for it. Can barely remember it though.

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