Does this prove anything? Nope. But it is perfectly consistent with the "seems like both sides did some awful stuff" posture. And, if true, it's definitely inconsistent with the reflexive cheerleading that makes this out to be simple or obviously one-sided.
Or, alternatively, devil's advocate, this is just how this guy talks and handles everyone that he works with, because he wants everyone to like him, wants to get everyone that he works with on his side, and wants to make the talent happy, so he's overly deferential, overly subservient in his communication style, overly apologizing because he doesn't want there to be any conflict on the set or with anyone that he works with. The context here appears to be that he initially didn't want to use her rewrite of scenes, so that's what he appears to be apologizing for. That's kind of how I read this. Everyone is amazing, everyone is so talented, he may not be fully worthy of working with these people but he's so happy that they are collaborating together to bring their joint vision to fruition and he's so lucky to be a part of the project. His emails that he released were in the same style, even though she was the one that was trying to get him to send her dallies that she arguably wasn't entitled to see at that point in filming, which she later used as part of her plan to decide to re-edit the movie. That also seems to be a potentially reasonable interpretation.
Or, alternatively, devil's advocate, this is just how this guy talks and handles everyone that he works with, because he wants everyone to like him, wants to get everyone that he works with on his side, and wants to make the talent happy, so he's overly deferential, overly subservient in his communication style, overly apologizing because he doesn't want there to be any conflict on the set or with anyone that he works with. The context here appears to be that he initially didn't want to use her rewrite of scenes, so that's what he appears to be apologizing for. That's kind of how I read this. Everyone is amazing, everyone is so talented, he may not be fully worthy of working with these people but he's so happy that they are collaborating together to bring their joint vision to fruition and he's so lucky to be a part of the project. His emails that he released were in the same style, even though she was the one that was trying to get him to send her dallies that she arguably wasn't entitled to see at that point in filming, which she later used as part of her plan to decide to re-edit the movie. That also seems to be a potentially reasonable interpretation.
Yup, that's reasonable. My real point here is the asymmetry, at the way people would pounce if the roles were reversed in this recording. As I said, it proves nothing. It only demonstrates that anyone feigning insight is doing so by just arbitrarily ignoring certain things and blindly accepting others.
They both strike me as pretty insecure, manipulative people who communicate in ways which sound like they are inauthentic. This may be why they initially got along, but as filming progressed, they had issues. They are too similar in their personalities. She also communicates in her emails and texts in a similar way to him!
They both strike me as pretty insecure, manipulative people who communicate in ways which sound like they are inauthentic. This may be why they initially got along, but as filming progressed, they had issues. They are too similar in their personalities. She also communicates in her emails and texts in a similar way to him!
Ok, but, I don't know, I think you'd agree with me that we should differentiate between people having flawed personalities and people breaking the law?
People in Hollywood have been... "special" since the birth of the industry. And I don't think that's ever going to change. Ultimately, you just have to draw the line at law-breaking, because for everything else, it's gonna come down to people not wanting to work with people they're not comfortable with.
In regard to Blake Lively having a negative or pushy personalty: What if this same exact story broke, only it was Sandra Bullock in Blake Lively's position making the same claims against Justin Baldoni. I wonder how differently social media response would be then? Which makes me wonder are we prejudging Blake because she comes off as not a nice person? Of course it doesn't matter if someone is an angel or an ass, the facts will decide the case in a court of law and I really do hope this goes to court.
In regard to Blake Lively having a negative or pushy personalty: What if this same exact story broke, only it was Sandra Bullock in Blake Lively's position making the same claims against Justin Baldoni. I wonder how differently social media response would be then? Which makes me wonder are we prejudging Blake because she comes off as not a nice person? Of course it doesn't matter if someone is an angel or an ass, the facts will decide the case in a court of law and I really do hope this goes to court.
According to the AP, "a federal judge has set a March 2026 trial date for actors Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni to resolve their claims stemming from their work on the movie It Ends With Us", so it's going to be a long 14 months between now and the day the trial begins...
They both strike me as pretty insecure, manipulative people who communicate in ways which sound like they are inauthentic. This may be why they initially got along, but as filming progressed, they had issues. They are too similar in their personalities. She also communicates in her emails and texts in a similar way to him!
As I posted recently these two deserve each other.
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According to the AP, "a federal judge has set a March 2026 trial date for actors Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni to resolve their claims stemming from their work on the movie It Ends With Us", so it's going to be a long 14 months between now and the day the trial begins...
Unless they can settle it between them in a mature adult way.
Unless they can settle it between them in a mature adult way.
I predict if they do make an out of court settlement with no admission of wrong doing by either party, Blake Lively's reputation and career will be greatly harmed. Where as Justin Baldoni's career would probably be saved. In Lively's case it's best if she doesn't settle it out of court.
I predict if they do make an out of court settlement with no admission of wrong doing by either party, Blake Lively's reputation and career will be greatly harmed. Where as Justin Baldoni's career would probably be saved. In Lively's case it's best if she doesn't settle it out of court.
I predict if they do make an out of court settlement with no admission of wrong doing by either party, Blake Lively's reputation and career will be greatly harmed. Where as Justin Baldoni's career would probably be saved. In Lively's case it's best if she doesn't settle it out of court.
It may not affect Bake's reputation if they settle out of court. I'm sure everyone in Hollywood knows that she is difficult to work with. Besides, she is looking to move onto directing. The public doesn't have a long memory. People are already getting bored of the drama on social media. Best to get it over with pronto.
It may not affect Bake's reputation if they settle out of court. I'm sure everyone in Hollywood knows that she is difficult to work with. Besides, she is looking to move onto directing. The public doesn't have a long memory. People are already getting bored of the drama on social media. Best to get it over with pronto.
We'll have to agree to disagree My reason is, Blake accused someone of sexual abuse, serious charges. If it's settled out of court and Baldoni admits sexual abuse or at least apologizes for inappropriate sexual behavior, it will probably end up being OK for both of their careers. But if it's settled out of court with no admission of guilt or responsibility by Baldoni, it will very likely look like Lively made false charges and manipulated the situation. That would not be good for her or for women in Hollywood who have to face sexual inappropriate comments and behavior. I firmly believe it needs to go to court to be resolved in an open to the public manner. But it probably will be settled out of court.
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The history of Blake Lively.
I first became aware of Blake based on a clip from The Soup with the Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants 2.
Gossip Girl was notorious for having issues with the cast namely the co-star Leighton Meester but also her relationship with co-star Penn Badgely. In the decade since Gossip Girl was on the cast has supported each other but Blake seems to be the pariah of the show. Now a skeptical person can now look back at that time and think that Lively connected with Penn to keep her job. You can dump a diva 90210 and Three's Company showed us that..but two of the three leads in a relationship would have been much more difficult.
Armie Hammer before he was cancelled actually came out against Blake...and this was also the show where Taylor Momsen left acting and became a Rockstar because she was sick of acting. Was this because of Lively's divaness..it's possible but a single incident or show shouldn't damn a person.
But her lovelife changed when the show was getting off the air. Blake dumped Penn...it happens but then she bounced into becoming one of Dicaprio's girlfriends. Once she no longer had a financial benefit in this relationship she then tried to get the biggest star she could. Here's where it gets interesting it was at this time when she moved onto Green Lantern with her future husband Ryan Reynolds. Ryan is married to Scarlett Johansen at the time and rumors (these will be sourced later) are that they were hooking up. Blake trying to land the superstar moviestar.
So we all know the story...Reynolds breaks up with Scarjo, marries Blake they have kids...it's mitzvah.
Now the quiet rumors are happening. Lively and Sandra Bullock have drama and kept away from each other. Bullock and Reynolds never work together again...little odd seeing as how The Proposal was a massive hit and we're talking about two romcom actors at the height of their powers. Rumors that Lively went for the film Gravity which I mean they were looking for big stars that's not Lively. But anyways we move on.,,
Lively moves out of acting and now she's focused on businesses. Something a number of actresses do when they get older..really worked out for Jessica Alba and Selena Gomez. Well she started off as friends with Martha Stewart, she starts a business called "Preserve" essentially trying to hone in on Martha's space it flops. She pushes an alchool line...she doesn't drink but she'll sell alchool to others. You've got her hair care line that got negative reviews. Part of the start of it ends with us drama was Blake launching a coloring book about the domestic violence film.. each one of these projects shows her as incompetent at best...and huckster at worst.
During this time she also shot a film Anna Kendrick. Anna's not the nicest person in the world by reputation like Blake but the project moves on. Yet again we get rumors of Blake and Anna being in a feud, the film is a moderate success so we then get a sequel, the film was delayed, and then delayed, and then delayed again finally shot last year. We don't have a trailer or a release date the film may in fact be shelved.
While this is going on you've got this website where anonymous stories can be leaked. Obviously the reason for this is clear a powerful person can just sue these minor people and win because they have more money. But Blake has been on this website for almost a decade.
A shadow gossip site has a long history of telling the Lively story. They've been logging these stories for over a decade which gives them credibility in my opinion.
Main Challenge
Blind Items Revealed
October 4, 2012
These two actresses from a hit almost network show can't stand each other. Not from the first season and never probably will. The underdog in this is the actress who felt like she had to work for everything she got and hates that another actress gets attention simply because she has larger breasts and is willing to sleep with more people. The underdog says that the other actress has always been a pain but the past few months have been a nightmare of self back patting and look at me itis. So, it was with great pleasure the underdog told the other actress about how the underdog already has a new show for herself and some movies lined up. The other actress meanwhile has to check everything through the new person in her life and is not sure how much she is going to work. He would like her with him at all times and even tried to get her out of the contract on her show.
This former B list mostly television actress from a hit almost network show does nothing now other than sit by the phone waiting for her husband to call. It should be a pleasant surprise when a fan comes up to her or actually recognizes her but she is nastier to them than Alec Baldwin is to photographers. Probably learned it from her husband.
Blake Lively
Blind Items Revealed #3
December 17, 2014
This former B list mostly television actress turned full-time Goopster has been calling every person she knows and her actor husband knows to try and replace the host of this Bravo staple.
Blake Lively/Padma Lakshmi/Top Chef
Blind Items Revealed #4
October 12, 2014
This former B list mostly television actress had to promise publicity and a magazine photo spread to get any non-employees to show up at a recent party she threw.
Blake Lively
Blind Items Revealed #2
November 10, 2014
This former A-/B+ list mostly television actress who no longer acts much thanks to a controlling A list husband has some control issues of her own. Her husband got sent a screener of a movie starring his almost A list ex and apparently he didn’t throw it away fast enough. Our actress went ballistic and screamed at him and accused him of still wanting to sleep with his ex and was so out of control that she was spitting and hyperventilating.
Blake Lively/Ryan Reynolds/Scarlett Johannson
Blind Items Revealed
March 4, 2014
This A+ list mostly movie actor made a secret phone call last week to this A+ list mostly movie actress and told her he would appreciate it if she skipped a certain Oscar party. It was bad enough that he was going to have to listen to his wife complain about her during the show but could she please just skip the party after. Apparently our A list actress was going to go out of spite but is just too nice.
Ryan Reynolds/Sandra Bullock/Blake Lively
Blind Items Revealed #2
October 19, 2015
This former B list mostly television actress who got her fame on an almost network hit has been causing delays on her new movie. Apparently she has been promoting clothes and bags while on the set and is constantly having to have her makeup and costumes reapplied when she needs to film her scenes.
Blake Lively
Blind Items Revealed #6
January 5, 2017
Apparently this former B+ list mostly television actress turned A-/B+ list movie actress is worried her A+ list husband will discover the truth. It turns out that she was not so honest to him about the affair she had with this married A+ list mostly movie actor. She told her husband the pair were just friends. When they all see each other at the Golden Globes this weekend she is afraid her lies will be revealed.
Blake Lively/Ryan Reynolds/Ben Affleck
Blind Items Revealed #1
July 24, 2016
This A- list mostly movie actress is married. She wants a franchise desperately. She is putting a ton of pressure on her foreign born A list husband to have her cast in the next installment of his franchise and then wants a spin off franchise of her own.
Blake Lively/Ryan Reynolds
Blind Items Revealed #5
January 6, 2017
This foreign born A+ list mostly movie actor is recycling stories and changing names again. This time he has substituted the name of his first wife with the name of his second wife when it comes to anxiety attacks. Apparently he thinks people don’t go back in time and look at other interviews.
Ryan Reynolds/Scarlett Johansson/Blake Lively
August 26, 2017
This A-/B+ list mostly movie actress who is an Academy Award winner/nominee is not getting along with her A-/B+ list co-star who is being a huge diva and constantly name dropping her husband. Our Oscar nominee/winner just does not do that kind of thing and it is really causing tension.
Anna Kendrick/Blake Lively
Blind Items Reealed #5
June 15, 2016
This actress is married to a foreign born A+ list mostly movie actor. She is trying to spin a story that she is some kind of wonder woman by filming her own stunts and just being willing to do anything on the set of her last movie. Nope. She had a stunt person from day 1 and no one particularly cared for her either.
Blake Lively/The Shallows
Blind Items Revealed #1
April 9, 2017
This A-/B+ list mostly movie actress was told to keep her plugs subtle. Her A+ list actor husband thinks he is the master of subversion. The thing is, she has kind of taken the whole promoting thing a little too far and her Instagram is littered with things she is trying to sell herself and for her friends.
Blake Lively/Ryan Reynolds
Blind Items Revealed #1
March 11, 2017
This A-/B+ list mostly movie actress married to an A lister once threatened to sue a tabloid that claimed she had multiple nannies. Our actress said she had none. It turns out the actress has way more than one but won’t ever admit it.
Blake Lively
Blind Items Revealed #2
August 20, 2018
Biggest diva for tonight's award show is this A- list mostly movie actress who got her big break on that almost network show. She is out of control with her demands and she probably will never be invited back.
Blake Lively/Video Music Awards
Blind Items Revealed #3
January 25, 2022
For an acting couple that always claims they don't want publicity, somehow their personal pap shows up at their house right before the couple emerge.
Ryan Reynolds/Blake Lively
Blind Items Revealed #4
September 20, 2022
Apparently the paps are going to be the theme of the current pregnancy of this A- list actress. She did her pronouncement reveal thing this week and then confronted the paps this week as if they were the bad guys, but SHE is the one who called them.
Blake Lively
Blind Items Revealed #3
August 28, 2024
Apparently, a hair care line and a movie about domestic violence is not a great marketing twofer. The new line of the A- list actress is bombing. That makes her like 0 for her last six when it comes to establishing a brand.
Blake Lively
Blind Items Revealed #1
January 23, 2023
Much like many of his stories, this foreign born alliterate A list mostly movie actor told a tale that isn't true. He likes to pretend and he and his actress wife stumbled across their wedding venue by accident online. Nope. His actress wife was using the same themes for her failed lifestyle brand.
Ryan Reynolds/Blake Lively/plantation-style wedding
Now are all of these stories true...doubt it. But are some of them let me put it to you this way. Many of the PA's and people that worked on sets with Lively, who interviewed her who have just dealt with her over the years are now willing to come out. They know they won't get sued now.
@Yoda said before the forum died that he only believed "credible" news sources. Well that credible news source is getting sued. Media companies have always engaged in cronyism the moderator of a film website should be aware of this...it's the main plot point of Citizen Kane. This was a BS case from the start being able to look past the power dynamic and see it for what this was. A woman desperate for power using Metoo to financially gain the system. What Blake and Ryan actually did might meet the standard of racketeering and be criminal. That Blake basically extorted this film, and fired people to meet the standards for a PGA credit.
Blind items, hare say and rumors aren’t exactly credible sources.
Sheesh
Not saying Lively is a saint but this is ridiculous
You know what else isn't a credible source...when your publication is sued for defamation because you edited the facts to destroy this persons reputation. These rumors have gone on for almost 15 years and frankly most are pretty evident. People with transactional relationships with Lively and Reynolds are going to stand and suppress. The fact that the Blake Likely camp is pushing for a gag order so evidence isn't getting released is damning.
This is a case where at first I just thought it was diva antics but seeing the level of extortion that Lively and Reynolds engaged in towards this small company. I do think that a motivated prosecutor could get an indictment for racketeering. But if you look at this case with any critical thinking skills you can see the side that is listing facts and the other side which is arguing vibes. And frankly in 2024 I don't know why anyone would look at main stream media corporations and trust them over facts.
Are you even reading the thread? Because it's positively filled with people saying "oh, I'm sure Lively did all sorts of underhanded" stuff, over and over. And then pointing out that it's immaterial to whether Baldoni did X or Y. You're writing thousands of words trying to demonstrate something which a) nobody's currently disputing and b) are not germane to the specific questions being posed. There's also a big difference between Hollywood backbiting and shoving and astroturf campaigns with fake identities, another thing I keep pointing out without response. There's a real "doth protest too much" quality to the walls of text that come back without direct answers.
I know from experience this is the standard playbook: stake out a hardline position immediately, be unnecessarily confrontational about it, ignore follow-up questions, and then just flood the zone. At some point you have to sit down and actually respond to a simple question now and then. That's how people actually discuss things.
Please note: random YouTube videos are not sources.
So not only is this wrong, but you've added a layer of logical fallacy on top it: you've inverted the reasoning so that disputing a source as not credible must therefore imply I believe any "credible" source. But that's not how logic works, you can't just assume the opposite extreme. Nevermind that "credible" isn't defined anyway. Probably because people wouldn't think to define a word you completely imagined.
You can say "I'm all about the facts!" but your actions consistently say otherwise. Inconvenient facts are dodged and things are made up. You show people you care about facts by treating them as valuable and serious, not by collecting them like random knick-knacks and then putting them in a big pile.
And if you continue to follow your usual playbook, you won't even acknowledge this error, let alone actually offer a mea culpa or take any steps to do better. Because staking out a hardline position backs people into an emotional corner where they feel like they can't admit error, which is not a position from which anyone can really argue in good faith.
I'm wondering if we have any lawyers here who can help to analyze this. I'm not prejudging the merits of Lively's case on this point, but am seeking to understand it. If it is true that Baldoni felt his career was at risk because Lively had said things that he felt were untrue about him, and tried to damage his reputation in the industry and future prospects, and he hired a PR firm to defend himself to protect his career, what is the set of facts and legal theory under which doing so would be illegal? What has been alleged appears to be that Baldoni hired a PR firm and then that that firm distributed previous interviews with Lively where she did not treat the interviewers well, amplified awkward statements she made during promotion of their movie, perhaps shared stories of other circumstances where she had acted in ways which were, arguably, inappropriate, so that she would lose credibility and popularity. Then those things went viral, either because he deliberately amplified them, or because they may have been shared by viewers who saw the videos or heard the stories. What about this set of circumstances makes this behavior, even if true, illegal? Why does he not have the ability to defend himself, in this way, against allegations he believed to be false?
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My reason is, Blake accused someone of sexual abuse, serious charges. If it's settled out of court and Baldoni admits sexual abuse or at least apologizes for inappropriate sexual behavior, it will probably end up being OK for both of their careers. But if it's settled out of court with no admission of guilt or responsibility by Baldoni, it will very likely look like Lively made false charges and manipulated the situation. That would not be good for her or for women in Hollywood who have to face sexual inappropriate comments and behavior. I firmly believe it needs to go to court to be resolved in an open to the public manner. But it probably will be settled out of court.
